Migrant crisis. - Page 7

rich.r · 08-12-15, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisG

quite a lot of money,

BUT...

how much a day do we benefit from the EU?

Not as much as we put in

Get out asap and France will follow and the German experiment will go down the toilet as it should

ChrisG · 08-12-15, 05:10 PM

but how much not --

"not as much as we put in"

..... I need real figures !!!

Like lots of these ideas, they have some merit, and de-merits, but the trouble is that they suffer the 'tanker syndrome' they just don't/cannot move forward/change at the same rate as events/time/circumstances would appear to dictate ?

rich.r · 09-12-15, 10:31 PM

The only thing i can say is we are a net contributor so take less out than we put in.
This why we are propping up countries like Greece.

UKIP say we could build hospitals have more nurses, increase police and many other benefits just by coming out of the EU

Lofty · 09-12-15, 11:34 PM

Got the first of the 'planned' ten thousand Syrian's ariving in Toronto on Friday followed by another plane load going to Ottawa on Saturday.
500 are being housed in Meaford (pop) 4800 so going to be interesting <cough>

moonwatcher · 10-12-15, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rich.r

The only thing i can say is we are a net contributor so take less out than we put in.
This why we are propping up countries like Greece.

UKIP say we could build hospitals have more nurses, increase police and many other benefits just by coming out of the EU

enough said

ChrisG · 10-12-15, 11:17 AM

My biggest concern is that we may, possibly, shooting ourselves in the foot, or even feet, by withdrawing.
If one is not a member ( of anything) it's much harder to change things from the outside.
Actually membership, or not, of the EU would, I fear, have little difference to the migrant situation. Unless you place troops on the borders and I have to say shoot to kill, then there are to many do-gooders interfering.

The trouble is it's also too easy to classify all because of the actions of a few.

By the way I think there are too many migrants coming in, have been for decades. When you see the Australian/Canadian hurdles............. what ARE we doing here.

moonwatcher · 10-12-15, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisG

My biggest concern is that we may, possibly, shooting ourselves in the foot, or even feet, by withdrawing.
If one is not a member ( of anything) it's much harder to change things from the outside.
Actually membership, or not, of the EU would, I fear, have little difference to the migrant situation. Unless you place troops on the borders and I have to say shoot to kill, then there are to many do-gooders interfering.

The trouble is it's also too easy to classify all because of the actions of a few.

By the way I think there are too many migrants coming in, have been for decades. When you see the Australian/Canadian hurdles............. what ARE we doing here.

If we are not members of any club then we have no right to change the rules, I don't want to change their rules I just want the right to change OUR rules, we are a sovereign state and long may that continue.
Perhaps we need to re-instate our border controls like Australia/Canada/USA and gain control of the people coming and going.
Maybe we should place troops on the borders, we don't need to shoot to kill, the troops would be a deterrent, we have a nuclear arsenal as a deterrent we don't need to use it
That'll do for a start

ChrisG · 10-12-15, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moonwatcher

If we are not members of any club then we have no right to change the rules, I don't want to change their rules I just want the right to change OUR rules, we are a sovereign state and long may that continue.
Perhaps we need to re-instate our border controls like Australia/Canada/USA and gain control of the people coming and going.
Maybe we should place troops on the borders, we don't need to shoot to kill, the troops would be a deterrent, we have a nuclear arsenal as a deterrent we don't need to use it
That'll do for a start

Yep I think I agree wholeheartedly

Isn't it an old Chinese proverb ? The longest journey starts with the first footstep.

SorenR · 10-12-15, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisG

Yep I think I agree wholeheartedly

Isn't it an old Chinese proverb ? The longest journey starts with the first footstep.

https://euobserver.com/beyond-brussels/131380

ChrisG · 10-12-15, 05:16 PM

The Danish referendum campaign saw little attention from abroad,

perhaps that was deliberate? A type of censoring by news companies because they are being lent on .............. ?

Indeed, I knew nothing about it, and I try to keep on top of various political 'stuff'. If you can do it in Denmark then we should be able to do the same in the UK.

08-12-15, 05:10 PM	#62
ChrisG Senior Member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bracknell, Berks. Posts: 1,465	but *how much* not -- "not as much as we put in" ..... I need real figures !!! Like lots of these ideas, they have some merit, and de-merits, but the trouble is that they suffer the 'tanker syndrome' they just don't/cannot move forward/change at the same rate as events/time/circumstances would appear to dictate ? Last edited by ChrisG; 08-12-15 at 05:16 PM.

10-12-15, 05:16 PM	#70
ChrisG Senior Member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bracknell, Berks. Posts: 1,465	The Danish referendum campaign saw little attention from abroad, perhaps that was deliberate? A type of censoring by news companies because they are being lent on .............. ? Indeed, I knew nothing about it, and I try to keep on top of various political 'stuff'. If you can do it in Denmark then we should be able to do the same in the UK. Last edited by ChrisG; 10-12-15 at 05:20 PM.

09-12-15, 10:31 PM	#63
rich.r Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,832	The only thing i can say is we are a net contributor so take less out than we put in. This why we are propping up countries like Greece. UKIP say we could build hospitals have more nurses, increase police and many other benefits just by coming out of the EU

09-12-15, 11:34 PM	#64
Lofty Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Mid western Ontario Posts: 1,817	Got the first of the 'planned' ten thousand Syrian's ariving in Toronto on Friday followed by another plane load going to Ottawa on Saturday. 500 are being housed in Meaford (pop) 4800 so going to be interesting <cough>

10-12-15, 11:17 AM	#66
ChrisG Senior Member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bracknell, Berks. Posts: 1,465	My biggest concern is that we may, possibly, shooting ourselves in the foot, or even feet, by withdrawing. If one is not a member ( of anything) it's much harder to change things from the outside. Actually membership, or not, of the EU would, I fear, have little difference to the migrant situation. Unless you place troops on the borders and I have to say shoot to kill, then there are to many do-gooders interfering. The trouble is it's also too easy to classify all because of the actions of a few. By the way I think there are too many migrants coming in, have been for decades. When you see the Australian/Canadian hurdles............. what ARE we doing here.