Classic Lancia

[Isimmo]

http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/...hp/carno/80903

[NorrS2]

It's not all that rarer than a genuine road going Sport quattro and I doubt you'd get anywhere near £140k for one of them.

Way way overpriced!!! I'll bet there is a serious NLA for that even compared to the Audi.

I'm sorry, but I just don't get why these Lancia's are getting valued at these sums, and that goes for the standard road going Integralle's also. (even though I like them). The quattro has far more pedigree.

[stuartmmcfc]

I'm going to be unpopular for saying this but I think they are more desirable.
the S4 was a purpose built rally car which was only slightly modified for road use.
The Sport was basically a road car with a bit cut out of the middle to try and get it to be able to compete with the likes of Lancia and Peugeot, and then turned into a rally car.
None ought to be rarer than an other, after all they all had to build 200- but when was the last time you saw a road going S4- I've seen plenty of sports, rs200s and a couple of T16s but never a S4.
The normal ur wouldn't have been able to go rallying without major mods whereas the normal Integrale could have done with little mods (obviously this has a lot to due with the homolagation rules of their respective groups, 200 v 5000)
obviously this is a very simplified view
I'd love both though and hope to compare owning the base models soon

[NorrS2]

Originally Posted by stuartmmcfc

I'm going to be unpopular for saying this but I think they are more desirable.
the S4 was a purpose built rally car which was only slightly modified for road use.
The Sport was basically a road car with a bit cut out of the middle to try and get it to be able to compete with the likes of Lancia and Peugeot, and then turned into a rally car.
None ought to be rarer than an other, after all they all had to build 200- but when was the last time you saw a road going S4- I've seen plenty of sports, rs200s and a couple of T16s but never a S4.
The normal ur wouldn't have been able to go rallying without major mods whereas the normal Integrale could have done with little mods (obviously this has a lot to due with the homolagation rules of their respective groups, 200 v 5000)
obviously this is a very simplified view
I'd love both though and hope to compare owning the base models soon

Yeah, you have just become unpopular with me for saying that !! (only joking)

Desirability is in the eyes of the beholder. So I can't debate that with you.

I will say this though, the whole concept of a "purpose built" Rally Car only came about because of the quattro concept. Remember, prior to the quattro, nearly all Rally cars were derived from road going versions apart from possibly the Lancia Stratos which could be argued was designed with Rallying in mind in the first place. (037 was still designed and competed after the quattro emerged). So for the road going quattro to come into rallying when it did as a road car and completely obliterate the opposition the way and margin it did, had never been done, and most likely, never to be repeated again. It was technically superior by miles!

With the advent of the Pug T16 and Delta S4, they were no longer Road Cars and were indeed purpose built Rally Cars, which was another step change and only answer they had to try and beat the quattro's.

IMHO, the road going Integralle should indeed be easier to convert to a Rally car as it was produced after the banning of group "b" in favour of group "a" was much closer to group n showroom class than b. Therefore, road going version wasn't that distant from the rally one.

I know your more likely to see a Sport quattro on the road before a Delta S4, but I'll leave that to your imagination as to why I think that is!

No doubt, I love the Lancia and think it's absolutely brilliant, but sorry, it never made the impact the quattro did, (despite it's remarkable success after that) and therfore it will never have the absolute pedigree of the Audi, as the Audi has too many "first's" under it's belt.

Hope you enjoy your Integralle, I would love one too!

[Nigel Conniford]

I am with you on this one Stu, but allas like the sport quattie................................I CAN'T FRIGGING FIT IN

[PeterB]

Originally Posted by stuartmmcfc

......when was the last time you saw a road going S4- I've seen plenty of sports, rs200s and a couple of T16s but never a S4......

Oooh, you little liar Stu!
Just what was that lovely red thing we gorped at in Sutties then?

[gabriel.oconnell]

having had both a lancia delta intergrale hf turbo and a audi quattro ur mb engine both cars are really great the lancia is more agile into and out of bend s but is fragile , but the audi quarttro ur mb engine car was the more solid built and the stronger car, but i loved them both and both sadly missed now just got the photos

[stuartmmcfc]

Originally Posted by PeterB

Oooh, you little liar Stu!
Just what was that lovely red thing we gorped at in Sutties then?

aahh , forgot that!!
realistically though I think both marques can hold their heads up high because of their achievements and although i think Lancia have the greater pedigree in rallying (Fulvia, Stratas, 037, S4, Integrale 14 wrcs and 6 of them consecutively). There's no denying the quattros huge impact.
and lets be honest it was enough for me to luist after one and then get one and "enjoy" the pain and expense ownership has bought me over the years, and long may it continue

As an aside the nla situation for lancias (baring trim) would appear to much healthier than audis

[NorrS2]

Originally Posted by stuartmmcfc

As an aside the nla situation for lancias (baring trim) would appear to much healthier than audis

That actually surprises me a bit Stuart but obviously entirely possible/probable.

I have to concede that Lancia have a much longer and more successful heritage in Rallying than Audi (then again, Ford and others could probably claim that one too). No doubt though, Lancia is the one that jumps out the most as a marque.

Just think (imo) that the urq is the most "special" individual car ever in rallying, because of the impact it had. Let's not forget the impact the urq had in terms of other performance cars also, as it was the car that ignited 4wd as a viable road going concept.

[stuartmmcfc]

I think Lancia still have a fairly good parts situation because fiat etc are so unorganised there's still bits being found that hadn't originally been accounted for and were forgotten about!
plus its not that long ago relatively speaking and lancia haven't exactly been pushing models out like audi have.
In the words of the immortal Harry Hill...
i like Audi, but I like lancia too.
which ones best???
there's only one way to find out......
FIGHT!
ps- getting close to my 4 ring status now !!