wages

rich.r · 31-05-12, 06:25 PM

Following on from Coxy,s post about working to live/living to work i had a thought

what is the average wage for your area, i have seen some lets say interesting wage offers for demanding jobs, in the Cheltenham area

So shop manager with all the stock ordering sorting out staff long hours etc for 17k

Bus driving with you having all the passengers lives in your hands for 18k at best and hours from 5.30am to 10.00 pm

And so it goes on lots of jobs with responsibility and little to show for it at the end of the day

How the feck do people live and buy houses now a days

Discuss

yeti · 31-05-12, 07:24 PM

Fair comment, in theory, last year I made £15k.

The rest was expenses and moonlighting, double that's about reet

20vcqdriver · 31-05-12, 07:41 PM

I don't know how anyone gets by on less than 30K these days. Fuel alone is a killer and by the time I have paid all the bills, food, childrens extravagent lifestyles etc I have £100 left for myself, hence why my engine build is so slooooow..

and why I'm up for any foreigners within a 20 mile radius of Little Neston

Coxy · 31-05-12, 08:52 PM

from the other side of the fence, as an employer, I do believe in a fair days pay for a fair days work and don't pay any less than 20+k to my staff.
Yes, I could offer a lot less and many other companies do, but that's not what it's about really.

The thing is, with more people than jobs, employers can keep the wages down as people will work for that amount.

When we moved in to our house last August, we had a lot of stuff than needed doing/clearing etc etc and we got offered hired help for £30 cash a day (for an 8 hour shift).
For me, that almost amounts to slavery and I couldn't do that to be honest.
I was happier paying £80 as a day labour rate as that's what I felt he deserved to get paid for what he had done.

yeti · 31-05-12, 09:00 PM

Grantted, there's some slave traders out there, but people don't always see both sides. People at work whinge about what the day job pays, but they're pretty much going halves with us and coverring expenses, they make on the volumes.

Sometimes you've just got to have the sense to work out how to make it pay. I literally make twice what the lad who works with me does, yeah I'm the boss, but I don't do anything he doesn't. I've even told him how, but he hasn't got the sense to do it.

Isimmo · 31-05-12, 10:39 PM

I think there are several things that get 'innocently' missed when talking salaries, wages or employed income, and they include Employers NI contribution, Pension and employee 'expenses' (sick pay, statutary obligations etc)... These can be significant burdens for employers to take on full time staff, and in hard times, enough to see short term contract staff (eg, bereft of such burden) a more attractive option in unstable times....

To ask a simple question, if I said 'stable job, £20k, sick pay and pension' or short term contract £30k, no sick pay or pension.... The individual personal Curcumstance is the deciding factor, not the 'product' (job)...

Where this becomes tricky (for both sectors) is when a skill or a role becomes legislatively mandatory and specialist. Put simply, you need it, pay up, or go without.... Virus .... Can we go without, must we pay up, do we need it....

In simple terms, offer a service, skill or product that is sufficiently specialist to corner a market... And I'll even give an example...

A few years ago I worked alongside a small team who we're structural engineers... A Skilled Occupation, but not, uncommon... However, they were also qualified divers, and this combination saw a staggering increase in work, and increase in 'per job' fee... For the loss of structures to erosion and scour is unthinkable, yet a real risk, that very few can structurally survey...

Brian83 · 01-06-12, 07:42 AM

I get £15k, but that is tax free, so probably about £20-21k if I were 'employed'. Am the main contributor in the household and it's a struggle.

Hoping for £30k+ when I finish my PhD in two years time, and a second Audi for the fleet

possibly even a third

rich.r · 01-06-12, 08:32 AM

I can see both sides of the coin and the burden that can be put on employers

What i cant phathom is how people manage on what they are paid so if you are on 20k by the time you have paid NI and Tax you are down to around 15K then your living expenses start

It just seems there is no corolation between responsibility ie lives in their hands and wages

Heres hoping for a bright future

20vcqdriver · 01-06-12, 09:23 AM

I cannot complain really though my joint income took a hit when Lynn left teaching for the sake of her sanity, so suddenly lost £1400 net a month, but at least I now have a happy wife working on half the money as a vets surgery PA. my income took a hit last month due to tax 'adjustments' from last year and found my deductable side of my pay slip with pension contributions and NI, share scheme deductions etc was a one off £1500

So a struggle this month.
Robbing government, tax your income to death and then tax whats left when you spend it

Ben · 01-06-12, 10:04 AM

It's the economic carrot on a stick. If wages are too low to buy carrots then either the carrot price has to drop or wages need to go up, but if wages go up, the price of supplying carrots goes up. What is needed is a third factor to counteract the swings which is either unemployment (capitalism) or lower profits (socialism)

Or you could be self employed and grow carrots when needed plus 20% extra for tax.

31-05-12, 07:24 PM	#2
yeti Senior Member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Derby Posts: 1,166	Fair comment, in theory, last year I made £15k. The rest was expenses and moonlighting, double that's about reet __________________ 1990 Coupe Quattro (WTF did I buy that for?) Half a 1983 Coupe FI (long term parts shelf) 2003 Cors-arrrgh More Polos that you'd ever believe No time, no money, all the wrong tools and a workshop that's too far away

31-05-12, 07:41 PM	#3
20vcqdriver 4 ring whore! Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Wirral Posts: 3,910	I don't know how anyone gets by on less than 30K these days. Fuel alone is a killer and by the time I have paid all the bills, food, childrens extravagent lifestyles etc I have £100 left for myself, hence why my engine build is so slooooow.. and why I'm up for any foreigners within a 20 mile radius of Little Neston __________________ Coupe quattro 1986:-~450bhp + loooong list of mods! Audi A7 Bi-TDI SLine Black edition 2015 mapped to produce 600lb/ft torque! Audi S4 4.2 V8 cabriolet 2004:-

31-05-12, 09:00 PM	#5
yeti Senior Member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Derby Posts: 1,166	Grantted, there's some slave traders out there, but people don't always see both sides. People at work whinge about what the day job pays, but they're pretty much going halves with us and coverring expenses, they make on the volumes. Sometimes you've just got to have the sense to work out how to make it pay. I literally make twice what the lad who works with me does, yeah I'm the boss, but I don't do anything he doesn't. I've even told him how, but he hasn't got the sense to do it. __________________ 1990 Coupe Quattro (WTF did I buy that for?) Half a 1983 Coupe FI (long term parts shelf) 2003 Cors-arrrgh More Polos that you'd ever believe No time, no money, all the wrong tools and a workshop that's too far away

31-05-12, 10:39 PM	#6
Isimmo Super Moderator Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sissix-by-the-sea Posts: 15,218	I think there are several things that get 'innocently' missed when talking salaries, wages or employed income, and they include Employers NI contribution, Pension and employee 'expenses' (sick pay, statutary obligations etc)... These can be significant burdens for employers to take on full time staff, and in hard times, enough to see short term contract staff (eg, bereft of such burden) a more attractive option in unstable times.... To ask a simple question, if I said 'stable job, £20k, sick pay and pension' or short term contract £30k, no sick pay or pension.... The individual personal Curcumstance is the deciding factor, not the 'product' (job)... Where this becomes tricky (for both sectors) is when a skill or a role becomes legislatively mandatory and specialist. Put simply, you need it, pay up, or go without.... Virus .... Can we go without, must we pay up, do we need it.... In simple terms, offer a service, skill or product that is sufficiently specialist to corner a market... And I'll even give an example... A few years ago I worked alongside a small team who we're structural engineers... A Skilled Occupation, but not, uncommon... However, they were also qualified divers, and this combination saw a staggering increase in work, and increase in 'per job' fee... For the loss of structures to erosion and scour is unthinkable, yet a real risk, that very few can structurally survey... __________________ 1985 WR quattro, 1985 20vT RallyRep, 1993 MTM ABY S2 Avant. 2010 S3 Sportback.

01-06-12, 09:23 AM	#9
20vcqdriver 4 ring whore! Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Wirral Posts: 3,910	I cannot complain really though my joint income took a hit when Lynn left teaching for the sake of her sanity, so suddenly lost £1400 net a month, but at least I now have a happy wife working on half the money as a vets surgery PA. my income took a hit last month due to tax 'adjustments' from last year and found my deductable side of my pay slip with pension contributions and NI, share scheme deductions etc was a one off £1500 So a struggle this month. Robbing government, tax your income to death and then tax whats left when you spend it __________________ Coupe quattro 1986:-~450bhp + loooong list of mods! Audi A7 Bi-TDI SLine Black edition 2015 mapped to produce 600lb/ft torque! Audi S4 4.2 V8 cabriolet 2004:-

31-05-12, 08:52 PM	#4
Coxy 4 Ring Mafia Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: on the side of a hill in Shropshire! Posts: 28,215	from the other side of the fence, as an employer, I do believe in a fair days pay for a fair days work and don't pay any less than 20+k to my staff. Yes, I could offer a lot less and many other companies do, but that's not what it's about really. The thing is, with more people than jobs, employers can keep the wages down as people will work for that amount. When we moved in to our house last August, we had a lot of stuff than needed doing/clearing etc etc and we got offered hired help for £30 cash a day (for an 8 hour shift). For me, that almost amounts to slavery and I couldn't do that to be honest. I was happier paying £80 as a day labour rate as that's what I felt he deserved to get paid for what he had done.

01-06-12, 07:42 AM	#7
Brian83 Grown up member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Loughborough & Lincoln Posts: 662	I get £15k, but that is tax free, so probably about £20-21k if I were 'employed'. Am the main contributor in the household and it's a struggle. Hoping for £30k+ when I finish my PhD in two years time, and a second Audi for the fleet possibly even a third

01-06-12, 08:32 AM	#8
rich.r Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,832	I can see both sides of the coin and the burden that can be put on employers What i cant phathom is how people manage on what they are paid so if you are on 20k by the time you have paid NI and Tax you are down to around 15K then your living expenses start It just seems there is no corolation between responsibility ie lives in their hands and wages Heres hoping for a bright future

01-06-12, 10:04 AM	#10
Ben 4 ring whore! Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Stockport Posts: 2,348	It's the economic carrot on a stick. If wages are too low to buy carrots then either the carrot price has to drop or wages need to go up, but if wages go up, the price of supplying carrots goes up. What is needed is a third factor to counteract the swings which is either unemployment (capitalism) or lower profits (socialism) Or you could be self employed and grow carrots when needed plus 20% extra for tax. __________________ 1992 80 quattro 20vt