emergency question - would you buy chinese calipers?

missfire · 23-01-12, 11:36 AM

for my van. supposed to be brembo units.

half the price, two year warranty, in stock, be here tomorrow.

what do you think?

LYT4X · 23-01-12, 11:50 AM

Possibly made in someones back garden in TsingTao Provence out of recycled plastic and bits of old washing machines. The seller will be making 100% mark-up and by the time the costs of manufacture and distribution are taken off you are left with something worth $4.50.

In the main, you get what you pay for. Personally, I like my Brembos and wouldn't rely on some fake Chinese look-alike to keep me safe when it comes to something as important as brakes (or wheels for that matter).

missfire · 23-01-12, 11:57 AM

thanks for confirming my fears.

may be sorted, the local factor has two brembo units in stock, refurbed by brake engineering in wrexham, would you trust them?

better just go get them, that's what i have on the front of the daily bus, same thing, just girlings refurbed by the same folks. they seem to work!

Daveymaclad · 23-01-12, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LYT4X

...back garden in TsingTao Provence .....

Love the use of a Chinese beer as a province!

LYT4X · 23-01-12, 12:24 PM

@ David - It was the first thing that came to mind without needing to look-up the spelling!

We all make a rod for our own back with these Chinese imports - no matter what product we are talking about. They are cheap for a reason.

Firstly, they make something which is a 'recreation' to look like a specific EU part but they do not have the R&D costs associated with it. [Think of a painted road car as a rally rep versus a proper rally car - it won't last five minutes in a gravel stage] They don't have the quality controls we have and so they can make something out of plasticine and paint it to look like metal. They don't have the employment costs we have, so they can chrun-out shyte as cheap as chips. Then, and here's the best part, they can make an absolute fortune by charging this stuff out at half the cost of it's competitor because it's only cost pennies to make it.

So, when we see something that looks the same at 50% of the cost which (theoretically) does the same job, we are doing three things:

1. Helping someone in China get very rich and hence contributing to their economy
2. Helping to put people over here out of work and hence killing our economy
3. Entrusting the lives of you (and your family) to some painted plasticine with no come-back whatsoever. Warranty is only to replace a defective part - not to suggest that the product was ever fit for purpose in the first place.

I feel better now........

4v6 · 23-01-12, 12:25 PM

Buy chinese and stick on the car?

Well as per LYT4X's comments and in addition: Do you value your life and that of your family?

Its cheap ass for a reason and the reason its cheap ass is cos its shyte.
Buy cheap, buy twice.

Heres a chinese knock off copy cat car, can you guess what its based on and would you buy one?
Nope! nor me!

Quality always costs you, its that simple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=...ture=endscreen

missfire · 23-01-12, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LYT4X

I feel better now........

me too, sorted! two in the hand is worth one in the bush!

refurbed brembos, held on stock for the local council who no longer use ivecos because they use too much diesel.. anyway, at least i can go out tomorrow and earn back what i just paid for them instead of sitting on my ass until thursday waiting for a 'next day delivery' and at least i know the castings, at least, were made by someone with a clue on how to do it.
thanks chaps.

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Originally Posted by 4v6

Heres a chinese knock off copy cat car, can you guess what its based on and would you buy one?
Nope! nor me!

holi sheet! that's bad...

Phil Payne · 23-01-12, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LYT4X

In the main, you get what you pay for.

All iPhones and iPads are made in China. Audi sold all of the Type 44 production line to the Shanghai Motor Company some years ago - if you want a Type 44 body part, Audi will sell you one. Made in China.

I just looked at my HTC Desire. Made in China. Battery - made in China. Sandisk microSD card - made in China. Samsung charger - made in China.

missfire · 23-01-12, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LYT4X

In the main, you get what you pay for.

you do indeed.. just went to fit the offside refurb job and one of the sliders was rattling around like a worm in jordan's

.

took it back, 50 mile round trip, getting another one tomorrow. add up the traveling and lost earnings and i could have just about bought new o.e.m.

check the sliders if you ever buy from brake engineering..

LYT4X · 23-01-12, 06:00 PM

I know where you're coming from Phil and I'm not suggesting that everything from China is a problem - far from it. Whether we like it or not, they didn't become the dominant global marketplace they are for nothing. However, there are two types of product from the East - those which are researched, developed and controlled from here under strict QA manufacturing guidelines, and those which are not. I'd venture that anything which 'looks like' somebody else's design selling at half the normal price comes into the later category.

A Dyson cleaner is the first category. A Xionson cleaner [made up name] which looks just like a Dyson and can be bought at a local market stall for £50, falls into the later category. By the same token, OEM Brembo's might well be manufactured in China, but they will be made under the strict control of the parent company who will doubtless own the factory itself.

The problem is not 'Made in China', the problem is where, by whom, for whom and what with!

23-01-12, 11:50 AM	#2
LYT4X Younger than JJ ! Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Aberdeenshire Posts: 651	Possibly made in someones back garden in TsingTao Provence out of recycled plastic and bits of old washing machines. The seller will be making 100% mark-up and by the time the costs of manufacture and distribution are taken off you are left with something worth $4.50. In the main, you get what you pay for. Personally, I like my Brembos and wouldn't rely on some fake Chinese look-alike to keep me safe when it comes to something as important as brakes (or wheels for that matter). __________________ ________ John

23-01-12, 12:24 PM	#5
LYT4X Younger than JJ ! Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Aberdeenshire Posts: 651	@ David - It was the first thing that came to mind without needing to look-up the spelling! We all make a rod for our own back with these Chinese imports - no matter what product we are talking about. They are cheap for a reason. Firstly, they make something which is a 'recreation' to look like a specific EU part but they do not have the R&D costs associated with it. [Think of a painted road car as a rally rep versus a proper rally car - it won't last five minutes in a gravel stage] They don't have the quality controls we have and so they can make something out of plasticine and paint it to look like metal. They don't have the employment costs we have, so they can chrun-out shyte as cheap as chips. Then, and here's the best part, they can make an absolute fortune by charging this stuff out at half the cost of it's competitor because it's only cost pennies to make it. So, when we see something that looks the same at 50% of the cost which (theoretically) does the same job, we are doing three things: 1. Helping someone in China get very rich and hence contributing to their economy 2. Helping to put people over here out of work and hence killing our economy 3. Entrusting the lives of you (and your family) to some painted plasticine with no come-back whatsoever. Warranty is only to replace a defective part - not to suggest that the product was ever fit for purpose in the first place. I feel better now........ __________________ ________ John

23-01-12, 06:00 PM	#10
LYT4X Younger than JJ ! Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Aberdeenshire Posts: 651	I know where you're coming from Phil and I'm not suggesting that everything from China is a problem - far from it. Whether we like it or not, they didn't become the dominant global marketplace they are for nothing. However, there are two types of product from the East - those which are researched, developed and controlled from here under strict QA manufacturing guidelines, and those which are not. I'd venture that anything which 'looks like' somebody else's design selling at half the normal price comes into the later category. A Dyson cleaner is the first category. A Xionson cleaner [made up name] which looks just like a Dyson and can be bought at a local market stall for £50, falls into the later category. By the same token, OEM Brembo's might well be manufactured in China, but they will be made under the strict control of the parent company who will doubtless own the factory itself. The problem is not 'Made in China', the problem is where, by whom, for whom and what with! __________________ ________ John

23-01-12, 11:57 AM	#3
missfire making wooden things Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: cow land Posts: 8,156	thanks for confirming my fears. may be sorted, the local factor has two brembo units in stock, refurbed by brake engineering in wrexham, would you trust them? better just go get them, that's what i have on the front of the daily bus, same thing, just girlings refurbed by the same folks. they seem to work!

23-01-12, 12:25 PM	#6
4v6 Ex Member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,565	Buy chinese and stick on the car? Well as per LYT4X's comments and in addition: Do you value your life and that of your family? Its cheap ass for a reason and the reason its cheap ass is cos its shyte. Buy cheap, buy twice. Heres a chinese knock off copy cat car, can you guess what its based on and would you buy one? Nope! nor me! Quality always costs you, its that simple. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=...ture=endscreen