ABF into B2 80 Sport?

[pimpdriver]

Anybody done this conversion, using a 2.0 16V ABF from a Mk3 Golf GTI 16V or Seat Cordoba 16V?

[ChrisG]

not sure how easy
Golf etc are transverse so whilst it may fit OK all the mountings etc are the 'wrong' way round ??
Easier to do with an inline , I would have thought, not that I have any practical experience !!

[b2_sport]

i thought about doing this before, but everyone advised me against it. Firstly most people said the 8v dz feels far more pokey than the ABF, ABF comes into action further down the rev range. Secondly people say the weight of the engine, you might as well use a 20vt. Thirdly knowbody could tell me what gearbox to be used with the ABF on the Audi, because apparently the dz gearbox don't bolt onto that lump. It got me thinking the ABF swap was not worthwhile and I left that thought there and moved on.

[msh]

Originally Posted by b2_sport

i thought about doing this before, but everyone advised me against it. Firstly most people said the 8v dz feels far more pokey than the ABF, ABF comes into action further down the rev range. Secondly people say the weight of the engine, you might as well use a 20vt. Thirdly knowbody could tell me what gearbox to be used with the ABF on the Audi, because apparently the dz gearbox don't bolt onto that lump. It got me thinking the ABF swap was not worthwhile and I left that thought there and moved on.

1) One ppls compared that ABF with KR [mk2 GTI 16v] "what a sleeping engine"
2) What?! Where does come that extra weight from - one camshaft and some other things, probably 5-10 kg extra? 20vt will be at least 50 kg extra.
3) Wtf?! For the first time I hear that audi gearboxes with extra bolt holes can't be mated with old VAG engine - the one who told that to u must have been joking. Flywheel probably has to be changed.

To turn 9A into 6A, one needs wiring loom, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, air filter box, injector hoses [since it's ke-motronic ], sump and some other small things. The same must apply to ABF, except for injector hoses. For some longitudional stuff probably ABK can be used as donor.

[16v80]

Hi

I did some measurements a while back but i'm sure it will sit to high and the bonnet wont close, will try to explain.

my 6A with twin carbs is only about 5mm from the underside of the bonnet, one of the fuel clips on the front carb has rubbed the paint off it is that close

Now a ABF will bolt in but it is a tall block, something in the region of 20mm or so higher than a KR or 6A/9a, also the inlet manifold runs over the head, think these are around 50mm diameter, so it will sit 70/80mm higher than a 6A/9A or KR,

Same issue happens with mk1 Golfs, but you can get around it by fitting late spec mk1 cab bonnets, which got me thinking are all b2 bonnets the same underneath?

[TheCrispyNoodle]

Originally Posted by b2_sport

i thought about doing this before, but everyone advised me against it. Firstly most people said the 8v dz feels far more pokey than the ABF, ABF comes into action further down the rev range. Secondly people say the weight of the engine, you might as well use a 20vt. Thirdly knowbody could tell me what gearbox to be used with the ABF on the Audi, because apparently the dz gearbox don't bolt onto that lump. It got me thinking the ABF swap was not worthwhile and I left that thought there and moved on.

Have an ABF in my MK3 Golf. In standard form it is not the most exciting of engines and lacks torque under 4k revs. There are various cam options that address this if you shop around but it is not generally considered a highly tunable engine without spending a lot of money on the inlet manifold. Companies specialising in tuning the ABF are fairly limited I think partly because this engine was never in a high volume car in the US (they got the Mk3 VR6 but no 16v) so only european tuners ever took it seriously.

The ABF suits a lighter car which gets you up into the revs and thus power band quicker, the classic transplant being into a Mk 1 Golf. I cant see it being a great match with an 80.

If you do go for it I have loads of data on matching gearboxes and what cars you can get them out of which are shorter ratio'd than the Mk3 Golf box and might overcome the power to weight issues. The 8v gearboxes wont fit the ABF.

Good luck

[pimpdriver]

Originally Posted by TheCrispyNoodle

Have an ABF in my MK3 Golf. In standard form it is not the most exciting of engines and lacks torque under 4k revs. There are various cam options that address this if you shop around but it is not generally considered a highly tunable engine without spending a lot of money on the inlet manifold. Companies specialising in tuning the ABF are fairly limited I think partly because this engine was never in a high volume car in the US (they got the Mk3 VR6 but no 16v) so only european tuners ever took it seriously.

The ABF suits a lighter car which gets you up into the revs and thus power band quicker, the classic transplant being into a Mk 1 Golf. I cant see it being a great match with an 80.

If you do go for it I have loads of data on matching gearboxes and what cars you can get them out of which are shorter ratio'd than the Mk3 Golf box and might overcome the power to weight issues. The 8v gearboxes wont fit the ABF.

Good luck

Golf 3 16V = 1100kg

Audi 80 Sport = 980kg.....

Might just be a 3A 2 litre bottom end for my DZ then.....

[styler]

stick a big V8 in it.... prawper jawb....

[pimpdriver]

John,

My pace is extremely slow! It takes me months to do anything.....

[styler]

Originally Posted by pimpdriver

John,

My pace is extremely slow! It takes me months to do anything.....

ditto.....