Brexit stuff.

[4v6]

Reform the eu.
Right.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ption-brussels

http://www.tuaeu.co.uk/eu-covers-up-eu-corruption/

https://www.greens-efa.eu/en/article...uropean-union/

Far better to just leave it and let it burn. Its done with.

[William Blyth]

Yes that's EU all over, the rich and powerful all on the EU gravy train at the expense of their people they are supposed to represent.
The quicker we leave the better and perhaps then we should then focus on the corrupt Politian's in the UK
Whilst we fight amongst ourselves on what best for the UK they are still getting richer and richer.
I bet in ten years time regardless we have a deal, no deal, leave or not leave, they we be still at it in one form or another.
If we win this battle with the EU we still have many more closer to home before we can win any war.

[Sandro]

Originally Posted by 4v6

Reform the eu.
Right.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ption-brussels

http://www.tuaeu.co.uk/eu-covers-up-eu-corruption/

https://www.greens-efa.eu/en/article...uropean-union/

Far better to just leave it and let it burn. Its done with.

Mate, any of these sites I could make up any time in 2 hours. Like the greens-efa.eu. They claim things they write are based on data on studies. Which ones please? How do they separate government / EU funds corruption and corruption where private companies money for private business interests are involved. I am not defending corruption in any form, but to claim what EU is mega corrupted and leaving it UK will live a better life is just funny. Maybe let's start with Boris Johnson's speech at JCB first?
Read the greens-efa.eu Members section. That says it all

Not gona comment express.co.uk. That's made by Nigel Farage.

[4v6]

Originally Posted by Sandro

Mate, any of these sites I could make up any time in 2 hours. Like the greens-efa.eu.

Well i spent roughly 30 seconds searching for eu corruption and that came up in the results, looking any deeper I cant be bothered, the greens I dont really believe anything they say at all but if even they are criticising the eu theres the old saying "no smoke without fire"....

Originally Posted by Sandro

They claim things they write are based on data on studies. Which ones please? How do they separate government / EU funds corruption and corruption where private companies money for private business interests are involved.

See above reply.

Originally Posted by Sandro

I am not defending corruption in any form, but to claim what EU is mega corrupted and leaving it UK will live a better life is just funny.

Nothing funny about 524million of taxpayers graft going to fund 3 airports in poland yet they never ever attracted the amount of users to make it viable...or funding ski lifts no one uses to name a few or paying in then getting a proportion of it back under the banner of "Funded by the eu"....Its OUR flipping money!
You really reckon Juncker is worth 37,000 euros a month? He had a recent payrise cos he needs to pay off his drinks bill at the casino.....
Youre paying for that, His extravagant lifestyle that some poor sop is going short to allow a fat overstuffed drunk to live it up on.
Now multiply that by the amount of spongers all sucking off the UK taxpayer tit in brussels and show me the value for money.
Its just corrupt and you cant do ANYTHING about it.
Now THATS funny!

All I can say to anyone who believes in the euro project is this: You want it, you can pay for it. Fair?
Dont presume to try to force me or others to pay for something i despise.
I just want out of it along with the rest of the majority who voted for that outcome.

Originally Posted by Sandro

Maybe let's start with Boris Johnson's speech at JCB first?

Do I have to?

Originally Posted by Sandro

Not gona comment express.co.uk. That's made by Nigel Farage.

Touche!

[moonwatcher]

There's no way to quantify the full extent of corruption in the EU!
The full accounts of the EU have not been audited and accepted for the last fifteen years
No audited accounts means no way to count the money in or out

[4v6]

Well if the last few days have shown us anything its that parliament and its residents are simply not fit for purpose.

And I mean that in respect of all sides, non of them have any idea of what democracy actually is, theyve turned the whole idea of it into a circus act.

I am a committed brexiter, I believe wholly that this country left to its own devices can do infinitely better than the eu can and all talk of cliff edges and failure fazes me not one bit, except for one part that does- the ability of those who claim to represent us is now laid bare in its naked incomptence.
Being 100% fair to both sides of the debate, Im of the opinion that Leave Mps who voted against their constituents shouldnt be standing at all now, and vice versa as theyve gone diametrically opposite to the people they claim ( they claim huh?) to represent.

Im disgusted by the wholly shambolic nature of parliament and the petty, idiot games theyre playing with peoples lives just to try to circumvent the referendum result.

Rotten to the core, theres no point to voting anymore theyve broken the system.

[urquattr085]

I don't normally comment on political stuff, but this shambles has my blood boiling & my will to live walking out of the room.

Our pillars of democracy have fallen around the deaf ears of our representatives and they alone are to blame.

To top it off May wants a 3rd attempt at getting "her" deal voted through, just to waste more time..............

Albert Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result

Seems to me he had a point.

[moonwatcher]

Originally Posted by 4v6

Well if the last few days have shown us anything its that parliament and its residents are simply not fit for purpose.

And I mean that in respect of all sides, non of them have any idea of what democracy actually is, theyve turned the whole idea of it into a circus act.

I am a committed brexiter, I believe wholly that this country left to its own devices can do infinitely better than the eu can and all talk of cliff edges and failure fazes me not one bit, except for one part that does- the ability of those who claim to represent us is now laid bare in its naked incomptence.
Being 100% fair to both sides of the debate, Im of the opinion that Leave Mps who voted against their constituents shouldnt be standing at all now, and vice versa as theyve gone diametrically opposite to the people they claim ( they claim huh?) to represent.

Im disgusted by the wholly shambolic nature of parliament and the petty, idiot games theyre playing with peoples lives just to try to circumvent the referendum result.

Rotten to the core, theres no point to voting anymore theyve broken the system.

I agree to 99% of your post except your last sentence.
NO! NO! NO! we cannot consider not voting.
If nothing else we need to reform the political system and make our representatives do our bidding or they're out

[Ringmaster]

Don't give up on Democracy folks, it's flawed, but it's the best governing system civilization has managed to come up with. The alternatives are always worse in the end......

When you get the democracy blues just think of all those white headstones in France.....

[4v6]

The scenarios so far as I can make out are as follows.

Another meaningful vote, if may wins then she will sell us to the eu despite her claims to the opposite- her "deal" isnt brexit.
If may loses (looking far more the likely outcome) then she will approch the eu to get an extension.
If eu say yes then extension until june ( Like I believe that anyway!)
If eu say "non" which is also looking likely as viktor orban and salvini are making veto noises then may goes back to the eu to request longer extension.
Again orban and salvini may well say "Bog off loser!" in which case No deal will occur on 29th march as proscribed in law.

I personally want to see the no deal option come to fruition, if only to show all those project fearmongers up for what they are- wrong.
I dont hold out much hope however of this herd of cockroaches in parliament being able to run brexit properly if their past performances are anything to go by, theyll likely sink us into oblivion due to their blatant incompetence.

Of course May well might try and remove brexit altogether at which point I reckon the following is probable- If our politicians refuse to listen to our voices, they might well have to listen to our fists.
I think theyre severely underestimating the levels of anger and frustration on all sides regarding their behaviour so far, they would do well to stop playing around.