Treser UR rough running

Treser UR · 03-04-21, 08:43 PM

Can you guys offer any reasons for jerky handling on my WR.Acceleration and deceleration is fine but in traffic or just maintaining any constant speed it’s not happy and hunts all the time.Maybe a fuel/air mix problem? What other possibilities are there from you wise guys?
Thanks

Hanuman · 04-04-21, 01:49 AM

Is his sudden, or gradual?
This sort of thing plagued my WR for a while until I got a grip with keeping it fettled, and it wasn’t anything major as such.

First few things worth checking, before getting into the more technical stuff.
Induction system- no air leaks. One of the most common causes of poor tune being the mixture at idle adjusted to compensate for an air leak. The engine should stall if the oil cap is removed. If it doesn’t, and some don’t even stumble when the cap is removed, then there is unmetered air being overcompensated for,
The various small bore vacuum hoses around the system need to be in good shape.
The idle screw needs to have a good o-ring seal, and the throttle body needs to be clean. The induction system does build up oil residue over time, which messes with the idle bleed.
Fuel system- pump delivery, mainly.
But also worth establishing that the cold start injector isn’t feeding extra fuel.

The above being for a standard WR. On the tresser, I’ve little idea what else goes on.

Treser UR · 04-04-21, 07:57 AM

Thanks for your views which seem very sensible.Curious to know what action cured your problem.The cold start injector was replaced recently and whilst it starts first time now,at lease when it’s a cold start,maybe it throws in fuel when it warms up.Is that a sensor issue?

The jerkyness starts from start up and when it’s warmed up it still does it.Slow traffic travel involves a lot of clutch work so it doesn’t kangaroo so a right pain.

The Treser has Mercedes v8 fuel distributor,a higher lift cam and bigger valves and bigger inter cooler but otherwise the set up is as standard.

Could the problem be an injector seal or a stuck injector that sprays inconsistently?

Thanks

Isimmo · 04-04-21, 08:24 AM

In the UK you’ll find a significant number of Urs (especially as they’re not used as a daily/winter car now) have the cold start injector disconnected as it hampers warm starts with flooding.

That said, I’d go with Mark and the induction system, they’re pretty sensitive. Try the ‘stumble’ test.

Also, have a quick check of the wiring to the air flow sensor on the front of the inlet manifold.

Hanuman · 05-04-21, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanuman

Is this sudden, or gradual?

I may have been a little unclear. Did this situation develop very quickly, 1-2 days, or something that became gradually worse over a longer period?

In any event, I’d suggest all those things that I mentioned should be checked first. I would say that the biggest and lasting improvement that I had was ensuring that the system had no air leaks, idle screw and port were clean (it does gunk up to the point that you run out of idle adjustment completely.) and then mixture set right.

Treser UR · 06-04-21, 06:53 PM

Thanks for that.It’s been occurring for a while but haven’t been using the car much during the winter months so haven’t done anything about it.

Now the sun is out it needs fixing.

Hanuman · 07-04-21, 03:48 PM

As it’s something that’s developed over time, it doesn’t sound like anything has broken completely, suddenly. So I’m inclined to think it’s a slow degradation, that has been compensated for over time. But now has reached the point that it needs sorting. As such, I’d go with the basics, making sure those are right.

larry49 · 11-04-21, 12:50 PM

Hunting is a sign of fuel/mixture problems....If it were mine I would do a complete fuel pressure test, check the AFM flap for smooth operation, check injector flow and the main fuel plunger in the distributor....(handle it with care).

Treser UR · 22-04-24, 08:29 PM

Back again with similar running problems.Recent refurb of the metering unit and warm up regulator by KMI hasn’t improved the jerky handling especially at low revs.cold starts have improved but hot starting requires patience.She goes like the wind being a Treser engined car but in traffic a pig which is very frustrating.Tick over is also lumpy.

I had another Treser UR in the 80’s and had none of these issues.Auxillary air valve maybe at fault but I replaced that 5 years ago with a secondhand one which seemed to work ok at the time.Would the Hall sensor in the distributor be at fault here? Equally could the thermo time switch be the culprit.Im probably clutching at straws here but any help would be much appreciated.

Somehow I sense an air leak somewhere in the vacuum pipe work maybe the answer as removing the rocker cap doesn’t effect the revs

tractor Dave · 22-04-24, 08:37 PM

Have you checked your injectors and replaced the seals?

04-04-21, 01:49 AM	#2
Hanuman Trickster Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Heckling from the cheap seats, Phnom Penh, KoW Posts: 7,007	Is his sudden, or gradual? This sort of thing plagued my WR for a while until I got a grip with keeping it fettled, and it wasn’t anything major as such. First few things worth checking, before getting into the more technical stuff. Induction system- no air leaks. One of the most common causes of poor tune being the mixture at idle adjusted to compensate for an air leak. The engine should stall if the oil cap is removed. If it doesn’t, and some don’t even stumble when the cap is removed, then there is unmetered air being overcompensated for, The various small bore vacuum hoses around the system need to be in good shape. The idle screw needs to have a good o-ring seal, and the throttle body needs to be clean. The induction system does build up oil residue over time, which messes with the idle bleed. Fuel system- pump delivery, mainly. But also worth establishing that the cold start injector isn’t feeding extra fuel. The above being for a standard WR. On the tresser, I’ve little idea what else goes on. __________________ I wish they would keep the damned Chinese away now that I can go home, so that I can enjoy Fish amok and a draught Angkor

04-04-21, 08:24 AM	#4
Isimmo Super Moderator Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sissix-by-the-sea Posts: 15,218	In the UK you’ll find a significant number of Urs (especially as they’re not used as a daily/winter car now) have the cold start injector disconnected as it hampers warm starts with flooding. That said, I’d go with Mark and the induction system, they’re pretty sensitive. Try the ‘stumble’ test. Also, have a quick check of the wiring to the air flow sensor on the front of the inlet manifold. __________________ 1985 WR quattro, 1985 20vT RallyRep, 1993 MTM ABY S2 Avant. 2010 S3 Sportback.

07-04-21, 03:48 PM	#7
Hanuman Trickster Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Heckling from the cheap seats, Phnom Penh, KoW Posts: 7,007	As it’s something that’s developed over time, it doesn’t sound like anything has broken completely, suddenly. So I’m inclined to think it’s a slow degradation, that has been compensated for over time. But now has reached the point that it needs sorting. As such, I’d go with the basics, making sure those are right. __________________ I wish they would keep the damned Chinese away now that I can go home, so that I can enjoy Fish amok and a draught Angkor

04-04-21, 07:57 AM	#3
Treser UR Newbie! Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Windlesham Posts: 12	Thanks for your views which seem very sensible.Curious to know what action cured your problem.The cold start injector was replaced recently and whilst it starts first time now,at lease when it’s a cold start,maybe it throws in fuel when it warms up.Is that a sensor issue? The jerkyness starts from start up and when it’s warmed up it still does it.Slow traffic travel involves a lot of clutch work so it doesn’t kangaroo so a right pain. The Treser has Mercedes v8 fuel distributor,a higher lift cam and bigger valves and bigger inter cooler but otherwise the set up is as standard. Could the problem be an injector seal or a stuck injector that sprays inconsistently? Thanks

06-04-21, 06:53 PM	#6
Treser UR Newbie! Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Windlesham Posts: 12	Thanks for that.It’s been occurring for a while but haven’t been using the car much during the winter months so haven’t done anything about it. Now the sun is out it needs fixing.

11-04-21, 12:50 PM	#8
larry49 Grown up member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 44	Hunting is a sign of fuel/mixture problems....If it were mine I would do a complete fuel pressure test, check the AFM flap for smooth operation, check injector flow and the main fuel plunger in the distributor....(handle it with care).

22-04-24, 08:29 PM	#9
Treser UR Newbie! Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Windlesham Posts: 12	Back again with similar running problems.Recent refurb of the metering unit and warm up regulator by KMI hasn’t improved the jerky handling especially at low revs.cold starts have improved but hot starting requires patience.She goes like the wind being a Treser engined car but in traffic a pig which is very frustrating.Tick over is also lumpy. I had another Treser UR in the 80’s and had none of these issues.Auxillary air valve maybe at fault but I replaced that 5 years ago with a secondhand one which seemed to work ok at the time.Would the Hall sensor in the distributor be at fault here? Equally could the thermo time switch be the culprit.Im probably clutching at straws here but any help would be much appreciated. Somehow I sense an air leak somewhere in the vacuum pipe work maybe the answer as removing the rocker cap doesn’t effect the revs

22-04-24, 08:37 PM	#10
tractor Dave Senior Member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Wales Posts: 1,158	Have you checked your injectors and replaced the seals?