B5 S4 Wanted

poopcoupe · 02-04-10, 12:17 PM

Would like low mileage real clean unmolested B5 S4 either avant or saloon, not really bothered. Must be sub 75k no mods, leather interior. Late as poss ideal 2000. Not asking much I know!!!! Anybody in the know?? Oh and not the orange colour!

Thanks Dom

Isimmo · 02-04-10, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by poopcoupe

Would like low mileage real clean unmolested B5 S4 either avant or saloon, not really bothered. Must be sub 75k no mods, leather interior. Late as poss ideal 2000. Not asking much I know!!!! Anybody in the know?? Oh and not the orange colour!

Thanks Dom

Make sure it's had the turbo heatshields done Dom.

poopcoupe · 02-04-10, 12:22 PM

Ian, explain? do the screw up and its a fortune?

Isimmo · 02-04-10, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by poopcoupe

Ian, explain? do the screw up and its a fortune?

When they were new, pretty much every S4 had the engine taken back out at main dealers, the heatshields would work loose and rattle between the turbo and body. There was a revision to the design of the heatshield ISTR on the recall. But, for some reason, some cars slipped the net.

Edit... Just been checking the web, it wasn't a formal recall...

Hanuman · 02-04-10, 12:37 PM

My car (1998 S4) has had new heat shields. It/They had been mangled on the left side to keep in place.
The manifolds also seem to have had issues. Another bit replaced. If not done, they seem to take out the lambda sensors on their way to the turbo.

And it's all a minimal working space. The likes of Grizz and Ben will probably shed more light. I've not been about to do any work on mine to get to know it, so my knowledge is based on info from others.

john johnson · 02-04-10, 12:40 PM

And the cambelt recently done, not nice on them

quattrokid · 02-04-10, 01:02 PM

hi Dom,

check on audisrs.com forum/ rs246.com

also try and get it health checked by either Grizz ( Unit 20) http://www.unit20.org/ ( Cheshire)

he specialises in S snd RS models and he is dam good, I go to him from up here

also if its nearer to you then try MRC Tuning ( Banbury)

http://www.mrctuning.com/ also highly specialised people who know these cars.

Get it checked out first then you should be safe with your purchase... I was out last night and had a wee drive of a 550bhp S4 saloon.... I'll tell ya......... YOU WANT IT LIKE THIS ONE

turbos have been known to cause issues and also possibly cam shafts, I know theyre a hit and miss on the B5 RS4's so advise to get them looked at as well just to be safe.

good luck

pimpdriver · 02-04-10, 01:15 PM

ask "andy e" on here, he has one, but I don't know if he is selling it.

BW2309 · 02-04-10, 01:24 PM

If you want any help or advise on looking for an S4 (brilliant car by the way) I'd be happy to send you any info you want. I do alot of these. Great car but a few common faults to keep ya eye on.

The heat shields were a problem on early models, usually the ones that still had single hole injectors (which were an issue too). The heat shields needed replacing with modified units and req'd engine removal to fit properly!
Under bonnet temperature were the biggest plague for designers with the S4 engine so be sure no one's just hackem em off!!

A few faults are:
-Poor injectors cause carbon balls to build up under the exhaust valves and valve burn out.
-Throttle body boots split
-Charge control system non return valves fail
-Boost leaks on intercooler pipework
-Non pressurised air leak on feed pipes to turbo
-Oil pump pick up gauze blocking - Causes blockage to cams and variators
-Ingress of air on inlet manifold causing poor fuelling at trailing throttle and boost leak under load
-Poor quality fuel and crap remaps - AVOID!!!!
-Cylinder heads can crack
-N245 (ReCirc valve charge regulation valve) fails
-Split reCirc Valves (MUST not have atmospheric dump valves fitted!!!)
-Obvious things like air mass meters
-Dash pods fail on DIS (like most B5's)
Rear Diff' leaks
-Top, front suspension arms ball joints fail
-Lower front bearing arm ball joints go (£130 an arm!!)

There's a fair bit to check for but a good one is a BRILLIANT and very underrated car. I would (and did) have one of these over an RS4. With a GOOD remap they have almost no lag and huge torque. Althought they have less grip than an RS4 ultimately, they handle better in my opinion and respond more quickly to inputs (on the road atleast...)

dest · 02-04-10, 02:35 PM

Check it gets up to and stays at temp when driving too, as changing the stat means doing the cambelt too!

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02-04-10, 12:37 PM	#5
Hanuman Trickster Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Heckling from the cheap seats, Phnom Penh, KoW Posts: 7,006	My car (1998 S4) has had new heat shields. It/They had been mangled on the left side to keep in place. The manifolds also seem to have had issues. Another bit replaced. If not done, they seem to take out the lambda sensors on their way to the turbo. And it's all a minimal working space. The likes of Grizz and Ben will probably shed more light. I've not been about to do any work on mine to get to know it, so my knowledge is based on info from others. __________________ I wish they would keep the damned Chinese away now that I can go home, so that I can enjoy Fish amok and a draught Angkor

02-04-10, 12:40 PM	#6
john johnson Moderator of sausages Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: sheffield Posts: 13,331	And the cambelt recently done, not nice on them __________________ Mr OCD http://s159.photobucket.com/albums/t144/jsquatts/ Daily rs4 b7 with buckets that play havoc with my piles And if you are reading this as James may would say ' you're a cock '

02-04-10, 01:02 PM	#7
quattrokid 4 ring whore! Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ayrshire Posts: 9,654	hi Dom, check on audisrs.com forum/ rs246.com also try and get it health checked by either Grizz ( Unit 20) http://www.unit20.org/ ( Cheshire) he specialises in S snd RS models and he is dam good, I go to him from up here also if its nearer to you then try MRC Tuning ( Banbury) http://www.mrctuning.com/ also highly specialised people who know these cars. Get it checked out first then you should be safe with your purchase... I was out last night and had a wee drive of a 550bhp S4 saloon.... I'll tell ya......... YOU WANT IT LIKE THIS ONE turbos have been known to cause issues and also possibly cam shafts, I know theyre a hit and miss on the B5 RS4's so advise to get them looked at as well just to be safe. good luck __________________ RS4 B5 (wife's / ours now ) S3 8L Imola Yellow S3 8L Nogaro blue UrWR SOLD UrS4 saloon (SOLD again) S4 Cabrio (SOLD) A4 cabrio 2.5 V6tdi (SOLD) 80 cabrio 2.6 V6 SOLD 90 quattro 10v SOLD 100 2.2e SOLD FOUNDING MEMBER the 200,000 Plus miles Club

02-04-10, 01:15 PM	#8
pimpdriver Devon Pastie Muncher Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Calne Wiltshire Posts: 7,530	ask "andy e" on here, he has one, but I don't know if he is selling it.

02-04-10, 01:24 PM	#9
BW2309 Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Derby Posts: 1,245	If you want any help or advise on looking for an S4 (brilliant car by the way) I'd be happy to send you any info you want. I do alot of these. Great car but a few common faults to keep ya eye on. The heat shields were a problem on early models, usually the ones that still had single hole injectors (which were an issue too). The heat shields needed replacing with modified units and req'd engine removal to fit properly! Under bonnet temperature were the biggest plague for designers with the S4 engine so be sure no one's just hackem em off!! A few faults are: -Poor injectors cause carbon balls to build up under the exhaust valves and valve burn out. -Throttle body boots split -Charge control system non return valves fail -Boost leaks on intercooler pipework -Non pressurised air leak on feed pipes to turbo -Oil pump pick up gauze blocking - Causes blockage to cams and variators -Ingress of air on inlet manifold causing poor fuelling at trailing throttle and boost leak under load -Poor quality fuel and crap remaps - AVOID!!!! -Cylinder heads can crack -N245 (ReCirc valve charge regulation valve) fails -Split reCirc Valves (MUST not have atmospheric dump valves fitted!!!) -Obvious things like air mass meters -Dash pods fail on DIS (like most B5's) Rear Diff' leaks -Top, front suspension arms ball joints fail -Lower front bearing arm ball joints go (£130 an arm!!) There's a fair bit to check for but a good one is a BRILLIANT and very underrated car. I would (and did) have one of these over an RS4. With a GOOD remap they have almost no lag and huge torque. Althought they have less grip than an RS4 ultimately, they handle better in my opinion and respond more quickly to inputs (on the road atleast...)

02-04-10, 02:35 PM	#10
dest In the darkside Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Thrapston Posts: 740	Check it gets up to and stays at temp when driving too, as changing the stat means doing the cambelt too!