Is WRC going low rent? - Page 3

Isimmo · 11-12-11, 04:44 PM

I don't deny the engineering marvel of the modern breed of rally cars, and, Group B was never utopia, least of all for the quattro. (it was, after all, a Group 4 machine adapted). But it's the basic bodyshell types that leave the delight thin on the ground for the common man. I defy anyone over the age of 20 to 'aspire' to owning a fiesta, unless they're a complete motoring Luddite. It's the regulations you see, they've dragged rallying down the food chain of TV rights, down the model ranges of the manufacturers and down the radar of the common man. See that Polo thingy... Now if that was a VR6 engine, making probably the same power (say, nominally 300bhp) and in a Scirocco bodyshell with big arches, it'd be a whole new ballgame. All IMHO of course.

rtz62 · 11-12-11, 05:58 PM

Is Present day F1 better than in the 70/80/90's?
Is present day football better than in the 70/80/90's?
Is present day 'music' better than in the 70/80/90's?
It's all down to your perspective.

kerker21 · 13-12-11, 07:41 PM

carnt wait to see the new polo wrc car its an awsome little bit of kit come on ian the makers bace is growing that can only be a good thing

the day 2 testing was much better as the anti lag was working much better and carlos has not lost any of his flair

VW Polo R WRC Test - Day 2 / 2011 [HD] - YouTube

gabriel.oconnell · 13-12-11, 08:42 PM

i really think its a great car something to get back at the froggie cars at last and a few more manufacturer in the sport instead of just two ford and frog car, with mini and vw ,hopefully audi in a1 also suzuki car going for it too and possibly ???????????????????/ who else

SorenR · 13-12-11, 09:47 PM

I think Audi have other plans for the A1...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha7Z8dGjEiQ

Familiar sound ???

murran · 13-12-11, 11:30 PM

im sure theyre great little rally cars.

but i'm sorry i can't get excited about polos, fiestas and suzuki swifts.

and your right i havent been to a rally in years (last time i went was at chatsworth/clumber park)..... but would watching fiestas and polos give me the enthusiasm to go? not really.
however carlos sainz is a driving legend.

Darron Edwards · 14-12-11, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SorenR

Well, I'm sort of looking forward to this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZtZExauRgs

It's actually the same base platform as the Audi A1... go figure... ;-)

Wheres the exhaust flames...no flames...no fun!

SorenR · 14-12-11, 03:12 PM

I was meaninglessly surfing the interweb and came across this post from 2007 in a thread about old WRC vs. new WRC cars...

Quote:

I went to the Phil Price rally school last year and asked him the same question and he said the modern stuff is much faster as it can put all it's power on the ground due to the modern electronics.

He reconed you could safely stand behind a WCR at the start of the stage, but stand behind a factory Group B car and you would be stoned to death as it dug two trenches trying to put 500bhp down without aid of launch control.

Another one wrote..

Quote:

True, but still one hell of a spectacle. Watching one come off a special stage with steam pouring off the watercooled brakes, the turbo snorting and flames coming out the exhaust, it's probably the closest I'll come to ever seeing a dragon for real

Then I thought... What if you put one of the young and fast WRC drivers into a Group B car... Would he fail miserably ??

Isimmo · 14-12-11, 04:05 PM

Reminds me of Sunseeker 2010, we sat behind Adam with his 20v making somewhere north of 400bhp and on Loose gravel. The starter counted down and at '4' the quattro started building up the revs, by '2' it was farting flames and bouncing off the rev limiter and at 'go', the starters arm went up and the quattro started heading for Australia, the trenches were a good 3" deep and the starter was utterly hanging in Mud... Brilliant memories...

They started 90deg right of the front car, Adams is the third from the back.

Tim also tried a bit of trench warfare...

Awesome stuff.

Isimmo · 14-12-11, 04:12 PM

And you see, we keep losing things like this...

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=24879

11-12-11, 04:44 PM	#21
Isimmo Super Moderator Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sissix-by-the-sea Posts: 15,218	I don't deny the engineering marvel of the modern breed of rally cars, and, Group B was never utopia, least of all for the quattro. (it was, after all, a Group 4 machine adapted). But it's the basic bodyshell types that leave the delight thin on the ground for the common man. I defy anyone over the age of 20 to 'aspire' to owning a fiesta, unless they're a complete motoring Luddite. It's the regulations you see, they've dragged rallying down the food chain of TV rights, down the model ranges of the manufacturers and down the radar of the common man. See that Polo thingy... Now if that was a VR6 engine, making probably the same power (say, nominally 300bhp) and in a Scirocco bodyshell with big arches, it'd be a whole new ballgame. All IMHO of course. __________________ 1985 WR quattro, 1985 20vT RallyRep, 1993 MTM ABY S2 Avant. 2010 S3 Sportback.

14-12-11, 04:05 PM	#29
Isimmo Super Moderator Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sissix-by-the-sea Posts: 15,218	Reminds me of Sunseeker 2010, we sat behind Adam with his 20v making somewhere north of 400bhp and on Loose gravel. The starter counted down and at '4' the quattro started building up the revs, by '2' it was farting flames and bouncing off the rev limiter and at 'go', the starters arm went up and the quattro started heading for Australia, the trenches were a good 3" deep and the starter was utterly hanging in Mud... Brilliant memories... They started 90deg right of the front car, Adams is the third from the back. Tim also tried a bit of trench warfare... Awesome stuff. __________________ 1985 WR quattro, 1985 20vT RallyRep, 1993 MTM ABY S2 Avant. 2010 S3 Sportback.

14-12-11, 04:12 PM	#30
Isimmo Super Moderator Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sissix-by-the-sea Posts: 15,218	And you see, we keep losing things like this... http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=24879 __________________ 1985 WR quattro, 1985 20vT RallyRep, 1993 MTM ABY S2 Avant. 2010 S3 Sportback.

11-12-11, 05:58 PM	#22
rtz62 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,527	Is Present day F1 better than in the 70/80/90's? Is present day football better than in the 70/80/90's? Is present day 'music' better than in the 70/80/90's? It's all down to your perspective.

13-12-11, 08:42 PM	#24
gabriel.oconnell 4 ring whore! Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: brynmawr Posts: 3,243	i really think its a great car something to get back at the froggie cars at last and a few more manufacturer in the sport instead of just two ford and frog car, with mini and vw ,hopefully audi in a1 also suzuki car going for it too and possibly ???????????????????/ who else

13-12-11, 11:30 PM	#26
murran Grown up member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 359	im sure theyre great little rally cars. but i'm sorry i can't get excited about polos, fiestas and suzuki swifts. and your right i havent been to a rally in years (last time i went was at chatsworth/clumber park)..... but would watching fiestas and polos give me the enthusiasm to go? not really. however carlos sainz is a driving legend.