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Old 04-10-18, 06:58 AM   #1
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The issue of Brexit has proven a few things, the main one being its divisivness amongst politicians and the population.
That notwithstanding, its also shown a rather alarming trend for the press/media to actively attempt to guide policy in the way they report on the affair.
Prominence by those who want a second referendum for example are constantly given airtime to try and sway the public into doing what the media and remainers want rather than accept the result that was legitimately voted on.
Thats also been the case on other issues as well, the media becoming a propaganda tool for utilisation by vested interests rather than just reporting in an unbiased manner on all things.

It seems to be a trait peculiarly of the remainer side of the debate who dont wish to accept any views other than their own, similar to that of extreme leftists and those who seek to get their own way at all costs.

Regarding the remainer arguments that have become ever more shrill over the months since, one argument stands out to me, that of the complaint that "We have the right to change our minds".
I say to that Yes we do!
We changed our minds after some 40 years of being hoodwinked and trampled on by a bogus political establishment that claim legitimacy and authority over all countries, yet the remain side simply want to make us change our minds without having had the chance to at least do our own thing for a similar period of time.
They are in effect saying that they dont believe in the principles of democracy, which is an odd stance to take since they freely participated in the referendum vote knowing full well they could lose, the fact is they didnt actually expect to lose which is why all the constant static since the vote, rather like a child who stamps their feet and pouts and shouts when theyre denied what they want.

It might be seen by some as a non issue, however I believe it has the potential for real danger because its a method to subvert democracy with the media on side and not reporting news but making it, suspending democracies rules to make their own, the danger being that when majority decisions are overturned by pressure groups and those of a less liberal nature (authoritarians seem to be largely on the left these days) the message becomes clear; "Democracy is dead".
That being the case what would be the point of ever voting again?
It leaves the populace under no illusions at all that whatever they say regarding the governance of their own countries it matters not and you have no power to change anything as some loud hysterical shouty types can get the result nulled by sheer volume of complaint ably assisted by the fake media machine.
What is left? Anarchy ( which some would love) and conflict.

There is a solution however, remainers can simply leave and go to live in the united states of europe where the roads are paved with gold, the grass is greener and everyones happy happy happy.

Watch out for that step on the way out mind.
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Old 04-10-18, 10:06 AM   #2
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Where do you get your info from to form your opinions?
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Old 04-10-18, 10:41 AM   #3
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Where do you get your info from to form your opinions?
Valid question, the answer being multiple and varied sources.
Blogs ,opinion pieces ,alternative news streams other than sky and bbc, political debates etc.
Common sense plays its part also......i hope.😄
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Old 04-10-18, 12:38 PM   #4
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Just asking because there's a right wing bias to your opinions. There doesn't seem to be anything in there that's your own original opinion, almost like you have been programmed to propagate this message out to the suburbs of social media. This is a one make car forum, but you felt the need to post up a rather one sided view of what is happening in the (fantasy) world of brexit.

Is there anything the remainers have said that you agree with?


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Old 04-10-18, 12:48 PM   #5
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Who knows how it’ll end
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Old 04-10-18, 02:55 PM   #6
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Old 04-10-18, 02:54 PM   #7
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Just asking because there's a right wing bias to your opinions. There doesn't seem to be anything in there that's your own original opinion, almost like you have been programmed to propagate this message out to the suburbs of social media. This is a one make car forum, but you felt the need to post up a rather one sided view of what is happening in the (fantasy) world of brexit.

Is there anything the remainers have said that you agree with?


Hmm. Cant say i frequent any social media sites so it cant have come from there.😊
Right wing bias you say well yes i do hail from that side of the debate as its as legitimate a side to be on as any other its not really a great surprise that my thoughts on the whole affair may well be tinged from that perspective.
Original opinions.... Hmm well its original to me.

As for agreeing with anything the remainers (sounds like a 60's folk music band) have said, no not really there doesnt appear to be anything particularly agreeable with their proposals thus far as most all seem to be of the opinion that it wont work or leave voters are stupid/ racist/ ill informed etc.
I remain (no pun) sceptical of their arguments and moreso of their motives.
I am however willing to listen, why wont they?
Not sure what the forum marque following has to do with it all tho as i posted up in general chat not technical etc...😉
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Just asking because there's a right wing bias to your opinions. There doesn't seem to be anything in there that's your own original opinion, almost like you have been programmed to propagate this message out to the suburbs of social media. This is a one make car forum, but you felt the need to post up a rather one sided view of what is happening in the (fantasy) world of brexit.

Is there anything the remainers have said that you agree with?


I have to disagree, I can't detect a right wing bias, I see that the main theme coming from 4v6 is democracy, without that there can only be anarchy.
We had a referendum the question was do you want to remain in the EU or leave? Article 50 was triggered and as a result there was an Act of Parliament passed to enable us to leave
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http://www.acasefortreason.co.uk/fco-30-1048/


The whole plan before we joined the EEC, laid out in gory detail stating how Britons are stupid xenephobes, how the "commission" would strip us of our powers and turn Britain into an outlier.
Kept secret for 50 years.

No wonder we wanted to leave.
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In my personal opinion:

I remember a time before Europe, it was not nice. Most inner cities were crap. Regeneration was due to EU funding.

I remember a time before Europe, it was not nice. As a buyer, trying to buy anything from there was an absolute nightmare of paperwork. Something called the EU made that easier

I remember a time before Europe, it was not nice. As a seller trying to match your sales spec to EU requirements frequently meant you lost the deal. setting standards for products (oustide of headline grabbing bananas) was done by something called the EU

I question what the press has to say or gain from this, their coverage overall is negative, that sells papers, pays for yachts. Selling a positive story, nahhh! Not good! Drop the dead donkey, focus on the EU?

Brexiteers point to "Project Fear", no one points to their project, "Project Teletubby Land". Where we all have our little piece of green grass and can sit on it watching the world go by, cos everyone likes us!! they all line up and we swap jelly sweets in the land of World Trade. Explain to me which of Johnson, Gove, Mogg, Duncan Smith or others will be held accountable if it does not pan out. With the EU, you know what you can expect and can influence it. If we have failed in the past, then then that says more about us than the EU to be be fair.

Look at the main Brexit proponents. EVERY one of them has silver spoon stuffed up their ....., they absolutely demand our "respect", Billy Bunter Johnson, Game of Thrones Gove, Spooky Duncan Smith and of course the man who respects women for what they are, five children later, Mogg. And Farage! Such an English name, he can rest assured for the rest of his life innured from reality with his EU final salary pension, he didn't sell out did he?

Politically I am agnostic, but Cameron's love affair of refernda on complex issues such as Scotland and the EU did not place him high amongst the leaders of the last 100 years.

He effectively said "I can't decide, don't look at me, what do you think?" True 1939 spirit!! Not! More like trying sort out his own EU party politics

And the question he asked was the same as asking "Do you want to sell your house?"

Having got the response, the answer is that you'll get a quid for it. But hey! It's the will of the people, well at least the ENGLISH people, voting on restricting immigration, which we cant influence even if we do leave. So having agreed to sell the house for a quid, do we go ahead? Or do we have another vote? Or heaven forfend do we find a politician that says, "stop this crap, we are better in than out" Watch out for Jeremy Corben on that one!!

Taking back control? Who will have that Control? Gove, Mogg, Duncan Smith, Johnson. Seriously?

This is a civil war in all but name, with Cavaliers and Roundheads are all mixed up together

The honest thing to do is for Mogg and his "powerful" ERG to setup their own party.

There is no difference between ERG and Momentum, they are both meant to hijack our votes for the two big parties for their own ends. The honest thing to do is to seperate and fight on the issues they pontificate about.

One last thing, the EU referendum was advisory, not compulsory.

So what the the F*** are we doing?
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