Smart CQ on eBay.

Isimmo · 15-12-21, 01:27 PM

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265452747...EAAOSwOlNhuOFu

John. · 15-12-21, 04:31 PM

So it is, very nice

84CoupeGT · 15-12-21, 05:26 PM

Looks very tidy. Nice mileage as well at 59k.

BackintheFold · 16-12-21, 09:22 AM

I wonder what will be sought after in ten years time? What will we look back on and say " oh i had three of those, wish I'd kept them!"

All those with barns....now is the time to stock up!

Ringmaster · 16-12-21, 09:47 PM

You think 'they' will let us have petrol to run these barn finds in 15-20 years time?

John. · 17-12-21, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ringmaster

You think 'they' will let us have petrol to run these barn finds in 15-20 years time?

There's the question, and will our old cars be so over taxed that nobody wants to own one.
Will they be a unique piece of automotive history that's much sought after......or too much hassle and expense??

Hopefully we can still enjoy them in 20 years time!

84CoupeGT · 17-12-21, 09:10 AM

I suppose nobody really knows the answer to that at the moment. My hope is that classic ICU cars will be allowed to continue on the roads and petrol will still be available, but I would imagine the much smaller demand will likely mean it's more expensive/difficult to get hold of. The classic car industry is worth a lot in the UK (I read somewhere £18 billion p/a - twice the scotch whisky industry apparently!), and the average classic only does around 1,200 miles a year, meaning it's CO2 emissions are less than from the average persons smartphone usage and tiny in comparison to ICU vehicles used for everyday use. Also, the average classic has around £8,000 spent on it. If classic car owners are unable to spend that spare cash on their cars, they'll find something else to spend it on which could have a bigger CO2 or environmental impact, such as flying on more holidays abroad.

Governments should go after the biggest problems. Pretty much everything has a CO2 impact and it's only because emissions have got so out of control that we have a problem. A much lower level of CO2 from industries/activities which don't have an alternative should be allowed because, as always, there has to be a balance between economy and environment.

If that proves to be wrong and all else fails then electric conversions will likely become a lot cheaper in the future, although I don't think I could ever bring myself to remove the 5 cylinder lump from my CGT, it just wouldn't be the same car.

Ringmaster · 18-12-21, 12:35 AM

I am going to hazard a guess that petrol will probably still be available by 2040, at least.

We have about 23 million cars in the UK (producing about one fifth of 1% of global C02) and around 2 million new cars are bought in a year. Assuming every new car bought from today onwards is purely electric, it would be 2033 before EVs reached present day numbers. I don't see EV sales reaching those dizzy heights before 2025 as that is probably the time by which manufacturers will want to be rid of any ICE vehicles.

Government may be tempted to tax ICE vehicles off the road to push things along but they will have to be mindful of poorer motorists, but in the long run taxes could even out. The Treasury is already seeing a drop in revenue because they are encouraging greener vehicles. So far they have abandoned each plan to bring in a new way of taxing motorists, but they can't keep ignoring this as they need the money and motorists have traditionally been the cash cows that enable governments to avoid income tax rises, hence I suspect at some point all vehicles will be subject to the same tax regime. Any new scheme will have to generate the same revenue as today's system at least. This will be a hard pill to swallow for drivers used to years of paying low/no VED.

Furthermore, the lower running and maintenance costs associated with EVs are likely to be offset by more expensive electricity as demand grows and dealers who will need to replace the usual regular revenue streams offered by servicing ICE cars. This may make some ICE drivers feel less rushed to replace their car.

There is likely to be demand for petrol and parts in the foreseeable future, so we are probably OK, but there are other factors that could upset things, such as having enough working age mechanics, a problem that faces owners of ICE and EV vehicles. Of course, if we go to war with Russia and/or China all this is meaningless!

A few days ago a junior transport minister declared that she believed car ownership was an outdated 20th century concept. In view of that I urge you all to email your local MP and let them know the importance of petrol and parts etc., otherwise they will remain clueless. It may seem pointless, but don't underestimate your potential to influence.

16-12-21, 09:22 AM	#4
BackintheFold Senior Member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Near an MB ur Quattro Posts: 1,171	I wonder what will be sought after in ten years time? What will we look back on and say " oh i had three of those, wish I'd kept them!" All those with barns....now is the time to stock up! __________________ 2006 A3 (daily drive) 1987 MB ur

17-12-21, 09:10 AM	#7
84CoupeGT Grown up member Join Date: Nov 2020 Posts: 309	I suppose nobody really knows the answer to that at the moment. My hope is that classic ICU cars will be allowed to continue on the roads and petrol will still be available, but I would imagine the much smaller demand will likely mean it's more expensive/difficult to get hold of. The classic car industry is worth a lot in the UK (I read somewhere £18 billion p/a - twice the scotch whisky industry apparently!), and the average classic only does around 1,200 miles a year, meaning it's CO2 emissions are less than from the average persons smartphone usage and tiny in comparison to ICU vehicles used for everyday use. Also, the average classic has around £8,000 spent on it. If classic car owners are unable to spend that spare cash on their cars, they'll find something else to spend it on which could have a bigger CO2 or environmental impact, such as flying on more holidays abroad. Governments should go after the biggest problems. Pretty much everything has a CO2 impact and it's only because emissions have got so out of control that we have a problem. A much lower level of CO2 from industries/activities which don't have an alternative should be allowed because, as always, there has to be a balance between economy and environment. If that proves to be wrong and all else fails then electric conversions will likely become a lot cheaper in the future, although I don't think I could ever bring myself to remove the 5 cylinder lump from my CGT, it just wouldn't be the same car. Last edited by 84CoupeGT; 17-12-21 at 09:26 AM.

18-12-21, 12:35 AM	#8
Ringmaster Senior Member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,326	I am going to hazard a guess that petrol will probably still be available by 2040, at least. We have about 23 million cars in the UK (producing about one fifth of 1% of global C02) and around 2 million new cars are bought in a year. Assuming every new car bought from today onwards is purely electric, it would be 2033 before EVs reached present day numbers. I don't see EV sales reaching those dizzy heights before 2025 as that is probably the time by which manufacturers will want to be rid of any ICE vehicles. Government may be tempted to tax ICE vehicles off the road to push things along but they will have to be mindful of poorer motorists, but in the long run taxes could even out. The Treasury is already seeing a drop in revenue because they are encouraging greener vehicles. So far they have abandoned each plan to bring in a new way of taxing motorists, but they can't keep ignoring this as they need the money and motorists have traditionally been the cash cows that enable governments to avoid income tax rises, hence I suspect at some point all vehicles will be subject to the same tax regime. Any new scheme will have to generate the same revenue as today's system at least. This will be a hard pill to swallow for drivers used to years of paying low/no VED. Furthermore, the lower running and maintenance costs associated with EVs are likely to be offset by more expensive electricity as demand grows and dealers who will need to replace the usual regular revenue streams offered by servicing ICE cars. This may make some ICE drivers feel less rushed to replace their car. There is likely to be demand for petrol and parts in the foreseeable future, so we are probably OK, but there are other factors that could upset things, such as having enough working age mechanics, a problem that faces owners of ICE and EV vehicles. Of course, if we go to war with Russia and/or China all this is meaningless! A few days ago a junior transport minister declared that she believed car ownership was an outdated 20th century concept. In view of that I urge you all to email your local MP and let them know the importance of petrol and parts etc., otherwise they will remain clueless. It may seem pointless, but don't underestimate your potential to influence. Last edited by Ringmaster; 18-12-21 at 12:51 AM.

15-12-21, 04:31 PM	#2
John. 4 ring whore! Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Scottish Borders. Posts: 7,520	So it is, very nice

15-12-21, 05:26 PM	#3
84CoupeGT Grown up member Join Date: Nov 2020 Posts: 309	Looks very tidy. Nice mileage as well at 59k.

16-12-21, 09:47 PM	#5
Ringmaster Senior Member Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,326	You think 'they' will let us have petrol to run these barn finds in 15-20 years time?