This Storm is Mad. - Page 2

missfire · 12-02-14, 09:15 PM

The rain? That's down to climate change.

S.U.D.S drainage regs have been around as long as I've been in the industry, just no fookr bothers building in line with them. Alan tichmarsh is to blame for a lot, 'low maintenance' gardens and drives etc. and people breeding too much. And the Chinese, they like coal..

20 years ago I landscaped a brand new holiday village, on top of a hill in ayrshire. Guess who bought them all? The Dutch!!

Useless hippies have been whinging on about climate change, expansion of the oceans etc. for over forty years, just nobody listened to them.

missfire · 12-02-14, 09:26 PM

A great measure of rainfall is where I live now, there's no development here, there's no people! Open ditches are still being dug, by machines now not navvies, field drainage is being installed constantly and the old stone drains put in over the last few hundred years are still flowing, I hit them all the time with excavators, but there's still water standing in places that there has never been before, in some places all year, never gets a chance to escape quicker than it's falling. It's definitely raining more!!

Coxy · 12-02-14, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by missfire

A great measure of rainfall is where I live now, there's no development here, there's no people! Open ditches are still being dug, by machines now not navvies, field drainage is being installed constantly and the old stone drains put in over the last few hundred years are still flowing, I hit them all the time with excavators, but there's still water standing in places that there has never been before, in some places all year, never gets a chance to escape quicker than it's falling. It's definitely raining more!!

on the plus side, it ain't snowing!!

missfire · 12-02-14, 09:28 PM

I know, had my bloody winter tyres on for months now.

sinbin5t · 12-02-14, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Coxy

on the plus side, it ain't snowing!!

Coxy · 12-02-14, 09:30 PM

ok, you can look at it at a slightly different perspective as you live smack in the middle of nowhere, but some of the more built up areas especially in Surrey who aren't used to these kind of high levels, must be able to attribute a large proportion of the increased water lever to the fact that the water table is a lot higher as there is less for it to go in to the ground. masses of concrete everywhere doesn't make it easy to flow so it will just follow it's nearest path which if it means upwards and outwards, then so be it.

missfire · 12-02-14, 10:01 PM

I'd never buy a house on a flood plane, full stop, the few hundred years we've been developing the UK is a blip in terms of wether or when the flood plane.. will flood. Because they all do eventually, that's how they are formed.

In terms of drainage though, SUDS, now called SuDS (because the countryside is flooding too) is about recreationting (forum software at work!) the natural storage capacity of everything between the surface and the bedrock. That's a huge capacity ( it also has huge carbon sequestration capacity, just nobody has caughtened on to that quite yet)

When you create any kind of 'umbrella' be it a car park or warehouse roof, you are interrupting the vertical flow, straight down, of the rainfall. You are required be law to compensate for this by installing what is essentially the equivalent storage capacity of that material which you have 'capped'. From that storage system, the water is then released at the natural rate into natural drainage systems, rivers, wetlands etc.

The problem is that nobody does it. It's costs money/profit and is viewed by most developers as just another piece of legislation, put in the way of them doing their job, and making a quick buck.

Now they might take it seriously, once their house is six feet under.

These regs. were put there to protect us and the only way to ensure they are adopted 100% of the time, by 100% of developers is to take them seriously, public outcry and jail folk who don't install them.

Environment agency, SEPA etc. are not just another bunch of whinging hippies, they're trying to save our asses.

Coxy · 12-02-14, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by missfire

I'd never buy a house on a flood plane, full stop, the few hundred years we've been developing the UK is a blip in terms of wether or when the flood plane.. will flood. Because they all do eventually, that's how they are formed.

In terms of drainage though, SUDS, now called SuDS (because the countryside is flooding too) is about recreationting (forum software at work!) the natural storage capacity of everything between the surface and the bedrock. That's a huge capacity ( it also has huge carbon sequestration capacity, just nobody has caughtened on to that quite yet)

When you create any kind of 'umbrella' be it a car park or warehouse roof, you are interrupting the vertical flow, straight down, of the rainfall. You are required be law to compensate for this by installing what is essentially the equivalent storage capacity of that material which you have 'capped'. From that storage system, the water is then released at the natural rate into natural drainage systems, rivers, wetlands etc.

The problem is that nobody does it. It's costs money/profit and is viewed by most developers as just another piece of legislation, put in the way of them doing their job, and making a quick buck.

Now they might take it seriously, once their house is six feet under.

These regs. were put there to protect us and the only way to ensure they are adopted 100% of the time, by 100% of developers is to take them seriously, public outcry and jail folk who don't install them.

Environment agency, SEPA etc. are not just another bunch of whinging hippies, they're trying to save our asses.

we've just gone through the first stages of planning on a new build unit for work and water harvesting was a hot topic with our local planning dept. A friend recently built a unit for his scaffold company and they insisted later that he install a 40,000 litre water tank to harvest the rain water off the roof of the unit and then 'drip' feed it back in to the earth/drainage.

The problem I see though is each time we pump concrete 10 feet in to the ground for another housing or building development, we are effectively raising the level of the water table and we are now seeing the bigger issues from years over development of areas near rivers and other water sources.

missfire · 12-02-14, 10:11 PM

Or a simpler explanation.

the water is getting into the rivers too quickly, because it's getting into the existing surface water drainage system.

SUDS release the water into the rivers at a controlled, slow, natural rate.

The environmental scientists and engineers had this all worked out wayyyy in advance of us getting to this point. They knew rainfall would increase. If everyone had adopted these methods things would not be half as bad as they are now, not half.

pimpdriver · 12-02-14, 10:12 PM

this man died approx 1 mile from us:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26153889

12-02-14, 10:12 PM	#20
pimpdriver Devon Pastie Muncher Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Calne Wiltshire Posts: 7,530	this man died approx 1 mile from us: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26153889 __________________ Winter tyres now! Driving the B2 80CL as a daily and LOVING it!!!!

12-02-14, 09:15 PM	#11
missfire making wooden things Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: cow land Posts: 8,154	The rain? That's down to climate change. S.U.D.S drainage regs have been around as long as I've been in the industry, just no fookr bothers building in line with them. Alan tichmarsh is to blame for a lot, 'low maintenance' gardens and drives etc. and people breeding too much. And the Chinese, they like coal.. 20 years ago I landscaped a brand new holiday village, on top of a hill in ayrshire. Guess who bought them all? The Dutch!! Useless hippies have been whinging on about climate change, expansion of the oceans etc. for over forty years, just nobody listened to them.

12-02-14, 09:26 PM	#12
missfire making wooden things Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: cow land Posts: 8,154	A great measure of rainfall is where I live now, there's no development here, there's no people! Open ditches are still being dug, by machines now not navvies, field drainage is being installed constantly and the old stone drains put in over the last few hundred years are still flowing, I hit them all the time with excavators, but there's still water standing in places that there has never been before, in some places all year, never gets a chance to escape quicker than it's falling. It's definitely raining more!!

12-02-14, 09:28 PM	#14
missfire making wooden things Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: cow land Posts: 8,154	I know, had my bloody winter tyres on for months now.

12-02-14, 09:30 PM	#16
Coxy 4 Ring Mafia Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: on the side of a hill in Shropshire! Posts: 28,215	ok, you can look at it at a slightly different perspective as you live smack in the middle of nowhere, but some of the more built up areas especially in Surrey who aren't used to these kind of high levels, must be able to attribute a large proportion of the increased water lever to the fact that the water table is a lot higher as there is less for it to go in to the ground. masses of concrete everywhere doesn't make it easy to flow so it will just follow it's nearest path which if it means upwards and outwards, then so be it.

12-02-14, 10:01 PM	#17
missfire making wooden things Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: cow land Posts: 8,154	I'd never buy a house on a flood plane, full stop, the few hundred years we've been developing the UK is a blip in terms of wether or when the flood plane.. will flood. Because they all do eventually, that's how they are formed. In terms of drainage though, SUDS, now called SuDS (because the countryside is flooding too) is about recreationting (forum software at work!) the natural storage capacity of everything between the surface and the bedrock. That's a huge capacity ( it also has huge carbon sequestration capacity, just nobody has caughtened on to that quite yet) When you create any kind of 'umbrella' be it a car park or warehouse roof, you are interrupting the vertical flow, straight down, of the rainfall. You are required be law to compensate for this by installing what is essentially the equivalent storage capacity of that material which you have 'capped'. From that storage system, the water is then released at the natural rate into natural drainage systems, rivers, wetlands etc. The problem is that nobody does it. It's costs money/profit and is viewed by most developers as just another piece of legislation, put in the way of them doing their job, and making a quick buck. Now they might take it seriously, once their house is six feet under. These regs. were put there to protect us and the only way to ensure they are adopted 100% of the time, by 100% of developers is to take them seriously, public outcry and jail folk who don't install them. Environment agency, SEPA etc. are not just another bunch of whinging hippies, they're trying to save our asses.

12-02-14, 10:11 PM	#19
missfire making wooden things Classic Audi Club Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: cow land Posts: 8,154	Or a simpler explanation. the water is getting into the rivers too quickly, because it's getting into the existing surface water drainage system. SUDS release the water into the rivers at a controlled, slow, natural rate. The environmental scientists and engineers had this all worked out wayyyy in advance of us getting to this point. They knew rainfall would increase. If everyone had adopted these methods things would not be half as bad as they are now, not half.