Eu referendum.

[farmer phil]

It seams very strange that now the vote is over all the political parties are falling apart ,its as if now we have voted no one wants to take over ? I think that the outs did not think they would win and also the ins did not think they could loose .Now after all this bullshit from both sides can we trust any political party to tell us the truth in the future?
What does the future hold ?Immigration may stay the same ,will the economy falter ? Will there be job losers ,who knows what will happen .What makes me mad about this situation is that none of those who are in power want to sort this out ,they would sooner bicker about who did what to who and when and why .Basically the same old bull of old .They are playing with peoples lives ,futures and are country .
It may be the case that Scotland does go its own way ,I am not sure if its a good thing or not ,but at least some one is being proactive towards what they see needs to be done ,as for me I have sat on the fence, as a farmer fed up with the E.U. telling me what to do ( and the U.K government ) but also worried about a future without financial help from the E.U.( which by the way the U.K now with hold 38% ) both my wife and I have come to conclusion about are own situation ,which is we are selling up and will be looking for a new venture ,but after the referendum it may not be in this country .
After living and working here for 52 years I find it very difficult to trust anybody after this fiasco which is turning members of the same family against one another .Yes things have not been good for some time ,and yes some parts of the country have not had the help they need ,but we are a nation who have never stood up to the government ,may be in some small way but not like the French or Greeks ,we dont know how to!Now we have its "oh what have we done ".
Now that the public have spoken and the vote is over we need to forget about it and move on to what has to be done NOW!

[Duffy3074]

It's a great big poison chalice that nobody wants to touch due to the difficulty of making it work without a lot of pain, at least in the short term.
Fairly widely held perception now that Boris did this to forward his leadership aspirations rather than a genuine belief that it's good for the country, and had no realistic expectation of winning, he's been put right on the spot by Cameron's resignation and obviously had no firm plans to back up their promises (which they are now back pedalling from very quickly).
No £350m for the NHS (Liam Fox stated at best half that to go lots of different ways) and no immediate reduction in immigration.
Be interesting to see what the £ does today, hopefully it'll rally.

[Duffy3074]

Originally Posted by john johnson

She's desperate to stay in the eu for the eu funds if she then goes for devo 2 , without eu money she's up shit creek . The eu have said her idea of pulling a fast one to stay in is a non starter and it will cost her and no doubt they will have to take the euro on as a currency , all assuming we do leave the eu

Problem is we are a separate country, we (as a country) voted overwhelmingly to stay in, she represents Scottish interests as First Minister, any expectations that she was going to do anything other than what she has are unrealistic.

To her credit (and it pains me to use these words) she's shown leadership over the weekend that's conspicuous by its abscence at Westminster.

[farmer phil]

Originally Posted by Duffy3074

Problem is we are a separate country, we (as a country) voted overwhelmingly to stay in, she represents Scottish interests as First Minister, any expectations that she was going to do anything other than what she has are unrealistic.

To her credit (and it pains me to use these words) she's shown leadership over the weekend that's conspicuous by its abscence at Westminster.

We may have voted ,but after reading this morning press there is a move by many politicians to ignore the vote and for them to vote again them self's in which case the public vote was a waste off time .Again how can we trust any of them due to there lack of commitment to what we have as a nation voted on .
Politics in this country has to change we no longer have anyone in Westminster who we can trust ,I know they tell lies ,but this is important its no game this is are future so if we are in or out just tell the truth and move on .

[Duffy3074]

Originally Posted by farmer phil

We may have voted ,but after reading this morning press there is a move by many politicians to ignore the vote and for them to vote again them self's in which case the public vote was a waste off time .Again how can we trust any of them due to there lack of commitment to what we have as a nation voted on .
Politics in this country has to change we no longer have anyone in Westminster who we can trust ,I know they tell lies ,but this is important its no game this is are future so if we are in or out just tell the truth and move on .

There's a crisis on confidence in the whole political system and if they just ignore the vote then, I suspect, that'd be the final straw for many people. I disagree with the result but do respect it.

To some of our more vocal members down south who are giving the Scot's a hard time for fighting their corner, imagine what you'd have been saying if it's been a narrow leave vote down south that was overridden by the strong remain Scottish vote, what exactly would you be calling for at the moment?

The bottom line is that we are where we are and somebody with credibility and bottle needs to step into the leadership vacuum down south and get the ball rolling.

BoJo doesn't have either of those qualities for me I'm afraid.

[vorsprung durch technik]

Where to start?

There's some uncertainty at the moment which is hardly surprising given the magnitude of the situation and they way events have unfolded with camerons sudden resignation. Lets not forget the huge uncertainty back in 2010 when we had a hung parliament and the world looked at us for a few days before the coalition was formed after what seamed a lifetime at the time. The doom mungers them painted a slide of the edge of a cliff scenario and of course they were wrong just like the experts,who remembers the dozens of time the remainers told us the experts have to be listened to, because they are the experts.Yeah ..... righto ......these same experts in the city who said it would all collapse gave remain the win at 10pm last thursday night only to tumble the markets with their very wrong expert opinion! No i think the people of the UK did the right thing by kicking the establishment right where it hurts because they are fed up with career politicians here and Brussels.

Things will sort themselves out, that's for sure they always do, and i wouldn't be surprised if we see some real flesh added to the bone today as to what will be about to happen.

All what you will see in the Newspapers is sensationalism,it sells newspapers,that's it. There may be some truth in what they are saying picking up from Phillip Hammonds interview over the weekend but are you surprised at what he said given that he's an extremely sneaky well oiled snake going about in his usual manner.

I know many of you reading this will think you hate politics and i have to say i never really liked it much and still don't but it's all our duties to take it seriously from time to time because this is a democracy and if you yourself are not heard it's because you decided to bury you head in the sand and allow others to grab your democracy that you failed to use to your own benefit wisely. I'm not talking about the referendum i'm talking about in general.i notice certain people are completely absent in this debate,because they might think it's uncool or whatever excuse they may have have but a democracy only works for the masses if the masses take it seriously once in a while.

How can any one vote and do the right thing if you know very little about the situation. The elites in the Uk know that and thats why we end up with what we've had for the last 30 years because a generation has grown up in a very selfish manor only thinking of themselves instead of the greater good. Our forefathers during World war 2 didn't think of themselves,they thought collectively for the country,it's just many of their offspring have chosen to live such a hedonistic lifestyle and forgetting or even caring about the big picture.

Anyway,once we have a clearer picture of what's about to happen things will inevitably settle down they always do.

[TeXerv]

Originally Posted by farmer phil

It seams very strange that now the vote is over all the political parties are falling apart ,its as if now we have voted no one wants to take over ? I think that the outs did not think they would win and also the ins did not think they could loose .Now after all this bullshit from both sides can we trust any political party to tell us the truth in the future?

I agree with that. NiFa and BoJo have been sitting on a powder keg playing with fire and something went wrong. And absolutely no one has really expected this result of the referendum. And that is why nobody has a plan yet. Not Johnson, not Cameron and much less Farage. The only one acting seems to be Nicola Sturgeon - from my point of view.

BTW: Democracy! Is it democratic if a simple majority (no matter whether 0,1 or 2%) is sufficient to decide a referendum with that incalculable consequences a whole nation will have to bear? Wouldn't it have been better to have a majority of 75% for not to split the nation?

After reading more British media (except the Sun) I come more and more to the opinion the ref was meant a shot across the bows of the complete political establishment. But that seems to have backfired.

I don't think that there will be a real chance to ignore the result and carry on as though nothing has happened. Objectively it might be the best but in my eyes it will not be realizable. Either in Britain or in the EU.

If Boris Johnson says Britain HAS time to transact the EU-exit it means: He NEEDS time to develop a plan. But I don't believe that Britain has time. Every further day of uncertainty will drive money, investors and industries out of your country. I can hardly imagine that the moneymakers keep sitting in their rocking chairs, twiddling their thumbs and biding what will happen next. I would not do so.

The political leadership actually seems to be paralysed from shock. And the longer it takes to reorganize the system the harder the times will be.
But not only the politicians have to do their duty. If one reads the biting hate in some comments (here and elsewhere) must ask himself how that will end.

The only positive I can actually see, is the hope that some things that are going absolutely wrong in the EU may change. For Britain I see a long term of hard times. Sadly.

[MS-L]

We're in a real mess.
The out campaign have no idea what to do now that it has actually happened, including Boris Johnson. If we had another vote now there is no way out would win.
Batten down the hatches.

[Sandro]

After what Nigel, IDS and BoJo has said after the referendum it seems like most of the OUT voters are likes this person because they believed OUT campaigners said true and promises will come reality
https://www.facebook.com/TheWallOfCo...7532752686534/

[Sandro]

And other one

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7102516.html