Eu referendum.

[Duffy3074]

Originally Posted by Flying Frank

Is anyone ( of the Leave camp ) getting uneasy feelings about the fact that Cameron has failed to keep his promise to invoke Article 50 straight away following on from the Referendum result?

Also uneasy feelings about the way that Nigel Farage has been written out of the whole negotiation deal ? It would seem that the Boris/Gove contingent are not quite so "out" as it appeared during their campaign.

And how convenient for dear Angela Merkel to say its "no problem" if we delay Article 50 and at the same time bollocking Juncker for putting pressure on the UK to leave.

Invoke it NOW I say, and even if the new Prime Minister does not appear for 2 months that's still less than 10% of the time before we actually leave ( I hope).

Sorry I think that's being a bit paranoid.

They've got no choice but to follow what's been decided, I think one of the strongest lessons to be taken from the referendum is how little trust we, the plebs, have in our elected officials nowadays, if they just ignored it they'd be committing suicide as a class.

Why the rush? It's an extremely complicated process and lets be honest, the Brexit camp do not have a fucking clue as to where to start, especially 'BoJo' who's looking increasingly like a rabbit caught in a headlamp. we need to know what we want before we go in, the whole 'we are going to have our cake and eat it' attitude of the brexiteers is to, be polite, unrealistic.

As to Farage, what Westminster constituency does he represent? Oh that's right he did't get elected and promised to resign if he didn't etc etc. With all of the talk of there being some sort of central, credible figure for the Tories (and hopefully what's left of the UK) to coalesce around, I can't imagine a more divisive figure than Farage at the moment.

There's little or no doubt that the EU want the process started and finished ASAP tpo reduce the financial uncertainty, its UK party politics that's slowing things down, especially the right wing Tory Brexiteers who don't want to have to pick up the pieces of what they've broken.

[Flying Frank]

Originally Posted by Duffy3074

Sorry I think that's being a bit paranoid.

They've got no choice but to follow what's been decided, I think one of the strongest lessons to be taken from the referendum is how little trust we, the plebs, have in our elected officials nowadays, if they just ignored it they'd be committing suicide as a class.

Why the rush? It's an extremely complicated process and lets be honest, the Brexit camp do not have a fucking clue as to where to start, especially 'BoJo' who's looking increasingly like a rabbit caught in a headlamp. we need to know what we want before we go in, the whole 'we are going to have our cake and eat it' attitude of the brexiteers is to, be polite, unrealistic.

As to Farage, what Westminster constituency does he represent? Oh that's right he did't get elected and promised to resign if he didn't etc etc. With all of the talk of there being some sort of central, credible figure for the Tories (and hopefully what's left of the UK) to coalesce around, I can't imagine a more divisive figure than Farage at the moment.

There's little or no doubt that the EU want the process started and finished ASAP tpo reduce the financial uncertainty, its UK party politics that's slowing things down, especially the right wing Tory Brexiteers who don't want to have to pick up the pieces of what they've broken.

Quick replies: Para 2. Cameron lied his backside off in the run up to the election. The day after he in effect continued the lie by not doing what he promised....invoke Article 50
Invoke the Article and then there is no rush, unless sorting some basic stuff out over the coming 22 months is too much to ask.

Para 3. You may not find Farage to your taste, but IMHO , he is the only man that says it as it is; his facts can be substantiated and he has held true to all he wanted and aspired to. Without his dream, we would not not be hopefully chucking off the shackles of the Brussels Eurocrats and their divisive system in the coming months and years. The sooner he gets a place in Parliament the better, and I suspect in any forthcoming elections, he would wipe the floor with his opponents. ( I hope! )

Para 4. I agree that both the Remain and the Leave Camp have proved very disappointing post Referendum in their abilities to get anything together. Lets hope they start getting their Act together soon , and prove my fears groundless.

[Hanuman]

It's an interesting discussion about workers rights, and protection within the EU.

We operate throughout Europe, and being in aviation, it is almost a calendar event that some form of aviation related strike action in France will occur. In the last few months, we have been dealing with ATC, fuel and labour issues at various destinations in France. It's been quite tricky.

The root cause, apparently, being a change in work place regulations in France. New rules in, that have taken away a lot of protection, and so there's ongoing strike action.

In France. An EU stalwart of sorts.

[Emjay]

Article 50 will not be invoked anytime soon if ever.

The economic fallout is simply to huge a risk for anyone to dare to do it.

Boris wants pre negotiations so he can see what the deal will be on the table. He can then take it to a referendum.

The EU are clear that any offers made will only be made once article 50 has been invoked and that leaves Boris and co effectively playing Russian roulette with the economy. Given the jitters now simply triggered by the vote, once article 50 is ever invoked it would cause an economic catastrophe.

Be certain, the one thing no Tory wants to see is the financial sector upping sticks to Europe. The financial sector wants passporting to trade across Europe. And the price to pay will be free movement of people plus even higher contributions to the EU for the privelidge with no voice at the table at all

The EU are quite clear, you cant have the benefits of being in the club by being outside of the club. We have thoroughly pissed off 27 nations that we now have to somehow do business with. Well done!

The business and commercial lobby is far stronger than yours and my cross in a box and given the additional fact that the EU would rather not break up then dont expect an exit anytime soon if ever.

The referendum is not legally binding and parliament can ignore it. Only one referendum has ever been so and that was the on regarding a change in our voting system a few years ago. That's why we live in a parliamentary democracy and to be honest it's a pity a section of the population simply don't understand the democratic process they partake in.

Boris never expected to win, Cameron never expected to lose. They played high stakes to point score off each other and both have failed the country enormously by suggesting this is democracy in action.

Sorry to say but no one has won anything in this whatever side you are in

Peace and Respect

[Emjay]

[quote=Flying Frank;408818]
Para 3. You may not find Farage to your taste, but IMHO , he is the only man that says it as it is; his facts can be substantiated and he has held true to all he wanted and aspired to.

Sorry Frank that's absolute poppycock!!

[TeXerv]

Originally Posted by Emjay

Article 50 will not be invoked anytime soon if ever.

The economic fallout is simply to huge a risk for anyone to dare to do it.

Boris wants pre negotiations so he can see what the deal will be on the table. He can then take it to a referendum.

The EU are clear that any offers made will only be made once article 50 has been invoked and that leaves Boris and co effectively playing Russian roulette with the economy. Given the jitters now simply triggered by the vote, once article 50 is ever invoked it would cause an economic catastrophe.

Be certain, the one thing no Tory wants to see if the financial sector upping sticks to Europe. The financial sector wants passporting to trade across Europe. And the price to pay will be free movement of people plus even higher contributions to the Eu for the privelidge with no voice at the table at all

The EU are quite clear, you cant have the benefits of being in the club by being outside of the club. We have thoroughly pissed off 27 nations that we now have to somehow do business with. Well done!

The business and commercial lobby is far stronger than yours and my cross in a box and given the additional fact that the EU would rather not break up then dont expect an exit anytime soon if ever.

The referendum is not legally binding and parliament can ignore it. Only one referendum has ever been so and that was the on regarding a change in our voting system a few years ago. That's why we live in a parliamentary democracy and to be honest it's a pity a section of the population simply don't understand the democratic process they partake in.

Boris never expected to win, Cameron never expected to lose. They played high stakes to point score off each other and both have failed the country enormously by suggesting this is democracy in action.

Sorry to say but no one has won anything in this whatever side you are in

Peace and Respect

I agree with that. And I'm asking me what if no one invokes Article 50? But that needs to have balls.

[Ben]

Keep an eye on Jeremy Corbyn. With the Labour party self removing all the blairites and him replacing them with Corbites (lol), if he survives the leadership challenge, he could call for a snap election on a promise to push the article 50 button straight away.

[Duffy3074]

[quote=Emjay;408823]

Originally Posted by Flying Frank

Para 3. You may not find Farage to your taste, but IMHO , he is the only man that says it as it is; his facts can be substantiated and he has held true to all he wanted and aspired to.

Sorry Frank that's absolute poppycock!!

Can't but agree, he's a devious 2 faced self serving bigot of the old school I'm afraid.

Statesman??????

He makes Enoch Powell look like the very model of level headed bonhomie......



And his long lost twin brother of the propaganda world



All you need now for a trio of loons would be a video of Alec Salmond on full waffle!

[Hanuman]

Originally Posted by Duffy3074

He makes Enoch Powell look like the very model of level headed bonhomie......

of which we need more with some of his thinking

[Emjay]

Originally Posted by The Real MSH!

of which we need more with some of his thinking

really??