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Old 04-01-19, 01:05 AM   #66
Steev
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In my humble opinion....

The vote was a crock, cos the question was a crock.
The answer was not compulsory, only advisory.

It seemed only to become compulsory when it went Brexit......despite Scotland, despite Wales, despite Northern Ireland who all voted to stay in europe

So essentially it is an English decision. But based on what?

No reasonable discussion was allowed by the press

As a Bremainer you "invoked" Project Fear, end of your argument....no one listened or read your argument beyond that.

As a Brexiteer you were a patriot, everyone knows what that means, no real need to expand your discussion, we all know what that means, you must be a real Mogg!

At no point did anyone label Brexit arguments LA LA LAND

No Need

All Brexit arguements were essentially Dog in the manger. Nothing creative or positive, just tear down the opposing argument until everyone nods.

But two years down the line STILL, neither bunch of pratts can say definitively what will happen.

So looking back two years, if we don't know now what will happen, how the fcuk could anyone make a reasoned decision to leave based on "facts" that had yet to established??

I'm a buyer of 40 years standing, from a simple negotiating standpoint, even I could see that signing Article 50 would put us on a conveyor belt that we would drop off the edge after two years with no deal. The EU had to do nothing. In a commercial scenario, that is known as deadlining, all buyers seek to own the deadline over the seller. in this we were piss poor to be honest.

Dropping off the conveyor is pretty much what is going to happen.

UNLESS SOMEONE, in Westminster, grows a pair of balls.

Unlikely as it seems Theresa May is probably the only one that could do that

Under Article 50 either have a deal or we don't.

Ergo as we don't have a deal, all reasonable people seem to agree "No Deal" is bad.

The only solution in the face of such uncertainty is to reverse Article 50.

The effect allows the status quo to exist, that is no biggie, we know what we are dealing with in that event.

But in truth that action allows unlimited time to negotiate meaningfully about Brexit.

I travel Europe as part of my job, and it's not perfect by any means, but it's shed load better than 40 years ago.

We need to be in there shaping it into something that we can all live with.

So, modify the Human Rights Act, modifiy the powers of the supreme court,modify the free movement of people, modify the FCUK out of it.

Tearing the UK apart with binary choice is no the way forward. In thirty years we'll be knocking on their door again, mark my words.

The binary choice was originally a Conservative party choice and no matter how much they deny it, this whole exercise was aimed at healing their divide.

Cameron is a a political tosser...of a coin.
Corbyn is just a tosser

Personally I would rather sacrifice that particular party than my country. Everything they are doing is not Unionist to either Wales, Scotland, or Northern Ireland or even England for that matter. It is Partisan, self interest, survival of the party in Westminster.

Reading this, a Brexiteer will label my rant as Bremainer Fear or nonsense. ( see nothing constructive)

My answer is. It took 40 odd years to get where we are, if we have to leave, why cant it take longer that two years, to make sure we are doing the right thing?

And ONE final thing!!!

When did we ever have a vote on, or have a referendum on, HS2?

THE WESTMINSTER TRAINSET

The costs of that make the purported savings of Brexit look like chickenfeed.

The whole project is pointless as it is destructive and will split the country in two just like Brexit,.

Except this divide will be labelled London and Not London.

That's part of the reason Osborne championed the "Northern Powerhouse", now he's gone, where's that now? Oh yes! Westminster Trainset

Rant over
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