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4v6 04-10-18 06:58 AM

Brexit stuff.
 
The issue of Brexit has proven a few things, the main one being its divisivness amongst politicians and the population.
That notwithstanding, its also shown a rather alarming trend for the press/media to actively attempt to guide policy in the way they report on the affair.
Prominence by those who want a second referendum for example are constantly given airtime to try and sway the public into doing what the media and remainers want rather than accept the result that was legitimately voted on.
Thats also been the case on other issues as well, the media becoming a propaganda tool for utilisation by vested interests rather than just reporting in an unbiased manner on all things.

It seems to be a trait peculiarly of the remainer side of the debate who dont wish to accept any views other than their own, similar to that of extreme leftists and those who seek to get their own way at all costs.

Regarding the remainer arguments that have become ever more shrill over the months since, one argument stands out to me, that of the complaint that "We have the right to change our minds".
I say to that Yes we do!
We changed our minds after some 40 years of being hoodwinked and trampled on by a bogus political establishment that claim legitimacy and authority over all countries, yet the remain side simply want to make us change our minds without having had the chance to at least do our own thing for a similar period of time.
They are in effect saying that they dont believe in the principles of democracy, which is an odd stance to take since they freely participated in the referendum vote knowing full well they could lose, the fact is they didnt actually expect to lose which is why all the constant static since the vote, rather like a child who stamps their feet and pouts and shouts when theyre denied what they want.

It might be seen by some as a non issue, however I believe it has the potential for real danger because its a method to subvert democracy with the media on side and not reporting news but making it, suspending democracies rules to make their own, the danger being that when majority decisions are overturned by pressure groups and those of a less liberal nature (authoritarians seem to be largely on the left these days) the message becomes clear; "Democracy is dead".
That being the case what would be the point of ever voting again?
It leaves the populace under no illusions at all that whatever they say regarding the governance of their own countries it matters not and you have no power to change anything as some loud hysterical shouty types can get the result nulled by sheer volume of complaint ably assisted by the fake media machine.
What is left? Anarchy ( which some would love) and conflict.

There is a solution however, remainers can simply leave and go to live in the united states of europe where the roads are paved with gold, the grass is greener and everyones happy happy happy.

Watch out for that step on the way out mind.

Ben 04-10-18 10:06 AM

Where do you get your info from to form your opinions?

4v6 04-10-18 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben (Post 450069)
Where do you get your info from to form your opinions?

Valid question, the answer being multiple and varied sources.
Blogs ,opinion pieces ,alternative news streams other than sky and bbc, political debates etc.
Common sense plays its part also......i hope.😄

Ben 04-10-18 12:38 PM

Just asking because there's a right wing bias to your opinions. There doesn't seem to be anything in there that's your own original opinion, almost like you have been programmed to propagate this message out to the suburbs of social media. This is a one make car forum, but you felt the need to post up a rather one sided view of what is happening in the (fantasy) world of brexit.

Is there anything the remainers have said that you agree with?


:):)

Duffy3074 04-10-18 12:48 PM

https://m.facebook.com/NFarageHero/p...QdoA&__tn__=-R

Who knows how it’ll end

4v6 04-10-18 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben (Post 450071)
Just asking because there's a right wing bias to your opinions. There doesn't seem to be anything in there that's your own original opinion, almost like you have been programmed to propagate this message out to the suburbs of social media. This is a one make car forum, but you felt the need to post up a rather one sided view of what is happening in the (fantasy) world of brexit.

Is there anything the remainers have said that you agree with?


:):)

Hmm. Cant say i frequent any social media sites so it cant have come from there.😊
Right wing bias you say well yes i do hail from that side of the debate as its as legitimate a side to be on as any other its not really a great surprise that my thoughts on the whole affair may well be tinged from that perspective.
Original opinions.... Hmm well its original to me.

As for agreeing with anything the remainers (sounds like a 60's folk music band) have said, no not really there doesnt appear to be anything particularly agreeable with their proposals thus far as most all seem to be of the opinion that it wont work or leave voters are stupid/ racist/ ill informed etc.
I remain (no pun) sceptical of their arguments and moreso of their motives.
I am however willing to listen, why wont they?
Not sure what the forum marque following has to do with it all tho as i posted up in general chat not technical etc...😉

4v6 04-10-18 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Duffy3074 (Post 450072)

You naughty munkey you are. 😄

moonwatcher 04-10-18 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben (Post 450071)
Just asking because there's a right wing bias to your opinions. There doesn't seem to be anything in there that's your own original opinion, almost like you have been programmed to propagate this message out to the suburbs of social media. This is a one make car forum, but you felt the need to post up a rather one sided view of what is happening in the (fantasy) world of brexit.

Is there anything the remainers have said that you agree with?


:):)

I have to disagree, I can't detect a right wing bias, I see that the main theme coming from 4v6 is democracy, without that there can only be anarchy.
We had a referendum the question was do you want to remain in the EU or leave? Article 50 was triggered and as a result there was an Act of Parliament passed to enable us to leave

4v6 04-10-18 04:41 PM

http://www.acasefortreason.co.uk/fco-30-1048/


The whole plan before we joined the EEC, laid out in gory detail stating how Britons are stupid xenephobes, how the "commission" would strip us of our powers and turn Britain into an outlier.
Kept secret for 50 years.

No wonder we wanted to leave.

Ben 04-10-18 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 4v6 (Post 450074)
Hmm. Cant say i frequent any social media sites so it cant have come from there.��
Right wing bias you say well yes i do hail from that side of the debate as its as legitimate a side to be on as any other its not really a great surprise that my thoughts on the whole affair may well be tinged from that perspective.
Original opinions.... Hmm well its original to me.

As for agreeing with anything the remainers (sounds like a 60's folk music band) have said, no not really there doesnt appear to be anything particularly agreeable with their proposals thus far as most all seem to be of the opinion that it wont work or leave voters are stupid/ racist/ ill informed etc.
I remain (no pun) sceptical of their arguments and moreso of their motives.
I am however willing to listen, why wont they?
Not sure what the forum marque following has to do with it all tho as i posted up in general chat not technical etc...��

Bah, come on, you know this niche forum is part of what's termed "social media". What you wrote is what I've seen other people post up elsewhere, I didn't see anything new or original in there, just the same right wing propaganda. Which is why I say you are being used as a messenger to spread the word.

If you stepped out of the fight and watched the battle from a distance, you would see that anything anyone says about brexit is pure speculation, or as we say around here, total bollocks. If this person is in a position of influence, then it's a chess move. If you relay this information, then you're a pawn in their game.

I can't see the link Duffy posted as you need to login. How can I see facebook content without an account?.

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Originally Posted by 4v6 (Post 450077)
http://www.acasefortreason.co.uk/fco-30-1048/


The whole plan before we joined the EEC, laid out in gory detail stating how Britons are stupid xenephobes, how the "commission" would strip us of our powers and turn Britain into an outlier.
Kept secret for 50 years.

No wonder we wanted to leave.

Oh, so there is a history of lying to voters then. If they had only been told the truth instead of being manipulated through the media, we wouldn't have joined?. I suppose it's all honest and true info they are feeding us these days.


:) :)


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