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FlyingDutchman 07-07-09 08:19 AM

6 speed transplant: upgrade or nonsense?
 
I am making up a list (with a life of it's own) of things to do on my 1993 Audi 80 2.0 16v, as I believe in upgrading parts, not just replacing. This of course, makes life interesting to the point of madness..at times. I sense a lot of Audi fanatics experience the same, though.
Nonetheless, I have a question (1st of many).
Will the 6 speed gearbox fit my car? If so, where is the difference in gear ratios, from 1st through the whole range? What could the effect be performance / economy-wise?
(Sorry, it always starts with just 1 question...)

20vcqdriver 07-07-09 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingDutchman (Post 62512)
I am making up a list (with a life of it's own) of things to do on my 1993 Audi 80 2.0 16v, as I believe in upgrading parts, not just replacing. This of course, makes life interesting to the point of madness..at times. I sense a lot of Audi fanatics experience the same, though.
Nonetheless, I have a question (1st of many).
Will the 6 speed gearbox fit my car? If so, where is the difference in gear ratios, from 1st through the whole range? What could the effect be performance / economy-wise?
(Sorry, it always starts with just 1 question...)

Not sure with the 4 cylinder engines! If the block is the same as the later 4 cylinders you have a possiblity of doing this, but not sure.
Have all the info necessary if it was a 5 cylinder...:rock:

Coxy 07-07-09 12:26 PM

can't really see the advantages of fitting a 6 speed box to the 2.0l engine?

FlyingDutchman 07-07-09 05:41 PM

To be honest, after reading some feedback, neither am I, unless the power plant is upgraded as well, as some mentioned. Time to rethink!

FlyingDutchman 07-07-09 05:45 PM

Thank you, I will do some more homework on this, it seems as if I will have to rethink process and change powerplant to really get the benefit. I will keep you in mind should I stumble upon a 5 cylinder, which seems to be very popular and full of grunt!
Enjoy.

Coxy 07-07-09 05:53 PM

Unless it's the 20v or 20v turbo lump (S2/S2 avant), then you'll find the 2.0 16v engine on a similar par performance wise with the earlier 2.2 or 2309 5 cylinder 10v engines.
You just don't get the same grunt with a 4 cylinder engine though! Although a decent exhaust system would help that a little!

in fact, your engine should be 135hp and the 10v 5 cyl engines are 134hp.

FlyingDutchman 08-07-09 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Coxy (Post 62570)
Unless it's the 20v or 20v turbo lump (S2/S2 avant), then you'll find the 2.0 16v engine on a similar par performance wise with the earlier 2.2 or 2309 5 cylinder 10v engines.
You just don't get the same grunt with a 4 cylinder engine though! Although a decent exhaust system would help that a little!

in fact, your engine should be 135hp and the 10v 5 cyl engines are 134hp.

Thanks, at least the collected info confirms that all of you are in the same line of thought, I have learned more in 3 days than in the same number of years with my GTX'es. The bigger engine=more grunt makes sense.
Much appreciated!:)

Coxy 08-07-09 09:14 AM

The other choice is look at a more modern engine implant. Not sure how easy as I've not seen it done, but a 1.8T lump would always be a good talking point at the pub!


let alone the 2.7 biturbo V6 lump!

vag80 08-07-09 05:51 PM

an 1.8t will fit in there easly,i think even a v8 may fit as the engine bay in the b3 and b4 is big

ChrisG 08-07-09 06:55 PM

several V8 conversions done in Europe, I've seen pictures ( a dark green series 4 comes to mind)

V8 into B2 4000 quattros in the USA.......silver one on Audiworld with loads of piccies of the various stages........ cannot find the piccies now I looked many months ago and they seem to have gone :(

msh 08-07-09 10:30 PM

I don't understand ppls, who like powerful cars, which are built with only one purpose - for straight line. Audi by default is noise heavy and that's bad, but audi and some entusiasts are placing in B series cars V8 engines... Even R5 engine turns audi into "gostraightoutofthecorner" :D In the same time I think it isn't impossible to create B3/B4 with 2.0 16vt/1.8 20vt with 50:50 weight distribution and power, that wouldn't be much lower than any 2.2 20vt :)

Gaz 09-07-09 01:13 AM

a v8 is a nice option, as i don't think its much different in weight to the 5 pot. and the v6 is actually lighter?

or have i got that wrong.? :idea:

(Edit: can't beat the sound of the 5 cylinder 10 valve tho.. :tup:)

FlyingDutchman 09-07-09 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Coxy (Post 62654)
The other choice is look at a more modern engine implant. Not sure how easy as I've not seen it done, but a 1.8T lump would always be a good talking point at the pub!


let alone the 2.7 biturbo V6 lump!

Heh-heh, words like these make my eyes water... Budget-wise, however the option seems to fade away.Next Audi will be at least a decent 5 cylinder, though!
Thanks :)

crisarc 09-07-09 07:25 PM

as i understand it the final 6 speed is the same as the 5 speeder, only have the extra cog mid range to play with, so good for laggy wr's/rs2[or should that read" non linear" power curves]?

crisarc 09-07-09 07:26 PM

sorry [wine] final 6 speeed ratio same ashh 5 shhhpeeder.....

Gaz 09-07-09 09:50 PM

so won't do anything for economy? :(

I was kinda hoping a 6 speed would give an 'extra' cog for cruising. :( :(

FlyingDutchman 10-07-09 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz (Post 62955)
so won't do anything for economy? :(

I was kinda hoping a 6 speed would give an 'extra' cog for cruising. :( :(

My thoughts exactly. In this case however, I think that the manufacturer has made sure the overall balance is as near optimal as possible...Will rethink my moves, but wow, what a lot of usable info!!:o

msh 12-07-09 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz (Post 62955)
so won't do anything for economy? :(

I was kinda hoping a 6 speed would give an 'extra' cog for cruising. :( :(

If u have enough powerful engine, put there diesel gearbox :D


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