How to id ex-rally cars
 

Hello!

Is there any way to tell for sure if car is built new to a rally car? I am buying an 1983 80 quattro that was built by David Sutton(or that is what I am told) to Mouton. It was for making notes for competitions. I tried to send email to Sutton but got no reply.

In the 90s it was used to group n rallying. It have a very stiff bilstein shocks with english markings, bolted roll-gage, the drivers seat have Moutons name and the is David Sutton on rear screen.

The same seller have also a 80 quattro group-a shell with a strange vin-number..

As with anything old and potentially valuable you need documented provenance to assure value and authenticity. Very few ‘rally cars’ have this and I can assure you there are plenty out there that are very much like Triggers brush from Fools and Horses.
Back to your car, we did have a 80q back then as a reci car, I seem to recal it was red in colour, I can’t recall it being used by Mouton though. It is very unlikely the seat is genuine, only the actual rally car would have the drivers own seat fitted,the reci car would have had a generic seat. The Sutton sticker is a good sign if genuine ( does it look aged?) Sutton used to put a ‘dealer’ type sticker in The rear window of all the rally cars ( little known fun fact)

Thanks for reply! The car is red indeed and the sticker in the rear window looks like it was fitted in the 80s. One funny thing I noticed it has a MPH speedometer.

Does Sutton have any list of the VIN-numbers of the cars that were modified?

It is quite difficult to identify the car because it doesnt have much rally-spec parts being used. I think the suspension and roll-cage being all? The motor was stock KK?

David Sutton Motorsport went bust ( although there are other David Sutton businesses still operating)so it is unlikely any record of cars that were modified survived other than in his head or recorded by outside sources. A reci car is unlikely to have any surviving record other than with relevant government organisation. Reci cars were generally stock other than roll cage, suspension and wheels/tyres to suit stages. They were not just reserved for reci work they would have been used to transport parts, personal, equipment, trips to the chip shop etc etc. While interesting now it would have been considered a disposable item of no significance in the day so any records unlikely. The car was sold to a local Northampton amateur driver by the name of Ian Drummond but I know he didn’t keep it long.
Another fun fact while we had the car it was allocated the reg No AUD 180 (Audi 80)

This is an interesting read on DSMotorsport if you’re interested. (Martyn, you can ignore the link....:p:tup:)

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/a...and-glory-days

So it was registered in street use, I thought it was rally-use only. Is there goverment records of registered cars in England?

It would be great to know how the car got to Finland. I know it was rallyed here in 94. But where it was before that..

If you do an HPI check it should tell you what reg numbers the car has had, there is also a part that asks you to confirm the chassis number

Ok. The HPI-check can be done online somewhere? Here in Finland they have records online maybe from present to 95 I think.

Groundhog, Do You remember when the car was sold? And forgive me not knowing, what is Reci-car?

Here,

https://www.hpi.co.uk/hpi-car-check.html

Sorry my bad should have been spelt recce short for reconnaissance. The race would have been driven before hand by the driver and co-driver and notes taken on turns, angle of turns, dips, bumps etc etc and distances between. Generally the car would not be driven in anger but needed to be safe and able to cope with, for instance, rough forest stages.
While we used it it was a road car for all intents and purpose, it was never rallied or used in competition. They made an ideal car to buy to use for rallying as they were always well looked after had a lot of necessary race bits already fitted and of course any future owners could boast that the famous driver ‘X’ had driven the car.
Can’t remember when the car was sold exactly but it would have been mid eighties.
As above, in the UK you can pay a nominal sum and get a cars history But you may need someone else on here to tell you what form you need-I don’t know. Any history might be dependent on how the car was registered and for what use. For instance David Llewellin had his recce car ,a quattro coupe, registered to him as a ‘gift’ from the sponsors and I know of at least two that were registered as Sutton’s wife’s company car although she never drove them.
Some rally cars can be extremely difficult to track so beware.

By chance, have you any photos of the car you could share with us?

Thank you! I will try to get the history records next week.

The pictures I have are too big, Ill have to modify them.

Here is a link to video, you can see the car at 9:40.
https://youtu.be/wZUPqVSYskE

I tried the HPI-check but found nothing on that AUD180 plate. Maybe it is too old to found online..

it would need to be it's uk reg number now or the last one it had, whats the reg number now ?

It was never registered in Finland, so no plates. They used it in rally only, so no registration was needed.

Any idea if it was registered under a different uk number after AUD 180 ?

Unfortunately no. I could try to track the owner how own it after Sutton. He might know..

Is there any chance the reg plate was AUD180B?

AUD 180B tax expired in 1987

Details below

Vehicle Details
Vehicle make AUDI
Date of first registration May 1984
Year of manufacture 1983
Cylinder capacity 2144 cc
CO₂ emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Euro status Not available
Real Driving Emissions (RDE) Not available
Export marker No
Vehicle status Untaxed
Vehicle colour RED
Vehicle type approval Not available
Wheelplan 2 AXLE RIGID BODY
Revenue weight Not available
Date of last V5C (logbook) issued 23rd October 1984

Many thanks! Maybe I can bow do the hpi-check again with the vin.

I did the hpi-check and its the same car that was in the Sutton workshop!

Here is picture from around 1987. Does anyone have pictures from Sutton workshop that shows this car? Any help is welcome.