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msh 18-05-09 02:48 AM

What's the reason for such problems? If u want KR engine [mk2 gti golf 16v], then put it in there, and not only it's head and block from other :crazy: And so on...

Pimpdriver, I like that txt about chipping atmospheric engine's ECU. Interesting, what kind of chip will make more air to enter engine, so extra fuel can be provided for increased power? :) Reason why turborcharged engines can be chipped is very simple - it increases boost. Only thing that can be chipped in atmospheric petrol engine - modern EFI's have slower response to throttle and some other things because of "ecology" - unlike old engines, where u put down pedal and injector can't do anything other than provide fuel in needed amount :) So only pro for ABF is that it's newber, but it's ECU must be upgraded, otherwise old KR will outperform it.

Back to topic - u can place there any VAG R4 engine manufactured up to 2000. year, later ones as well, but I think, FSI engines have new block layout - unlike old R4, which can be traced back to B1 and C1 and maybe more :) Otherwise, engine can be swapped only with bolting it in place and biggest problem will be wiring harness. Of course, u can leave your k-jet, if u think it's enough and u will place there only 2.0 8v. U can place there 1.8 20vt as well, only there will be some electrical issues. Ahh, and also - better is to buy audi engines, because vw engine's manifolds can't be used in audis.

P.S vag80 why only 1.9? U have 2.0 bore but u still have 1.8 stroke :finger:

swampyjoe 18-05-09 03:16 PM

i have the engine and the haed fits on the engine fits to the gar box with the audi flywheel and clutch but the sump is hitting the chassi so now i think i need the sump off the 80 and still need some engine supports i have new mounts just need the bit that bolts the engine to the mount

msh 18-05-09 03:25 PM

Yes, you're right, it needs Audi sump. But I still don't get the idea why 2E's block with DZ head and not whole 2E :crazy: Some racers use old heads because there isn't hydraulic tappets, but mostly it's with 1.6 and 1.8 blocks.
P.S. Don't know about B2, on B3 2.0 engines have 228 mm clutch, other engines have 210mm clutch... For durability, of course.

vag80 18-05-09 05:32 PM

[quote=msh;55321]What's the reason for such problems? If u want KR engine [mk2 gti golf 16v], then put it in there, and not only it's head and block from other :crazy: And so on...

Pimpdriver, I like that txt about chipping atmospheric engine's ECU. Interesting, what kind of chip will make more air to enter engine, so extra fuel can be provided for increased power? :) Reason why turborcharged engines can be chipped is very simple - it increases boost. Only thing that can be chipped in atmospheric petrol engine - modern EFI's have slower response to throttle and some other things because of "ecology" - unlike old engines, where u put down pedal and injector can't do anything other than provide fuel in needed amount :) So only pro for ABF is that it's newber, but it's ECU must be upgraded, otherwise old KR will outperform it.

Back to topic - u can place there any VAG R4 engine manufactured up to 2000. year, later ones as well, but I think, FSI engines have new block layout - unlike old R4, which can be traced back to B1 and C1 and maybe more :) Otherwise, engine can be swapped only with bolting it in place and biggest problem will be wiring harness. Of course, u can leave your k-jet, if u think it's enough and u will place there only 2.0 8v. U can place there 1.8 20vt as well, only there will be some electrical issues. Ahh, and also - better is to buy audi engines, because vw engine's manifolds can't be used in audis.

P.S vag80 why only 1.9? U have 2.0 bore but u still have 1.8 stroke :finger:[/QUOT

because that is what i wanted to do to MY engine with my budget :finger:
your always slaging off someone elses work.SO WERES THE PICTURES FOR YOU CAR AND THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE YOURSELF :finger:
SO LETS HAVE A LOOK AT YOUR CAR

msh 18-05-09 06:12 PM

I'm just asking, if u did such a big job, why didn't u put there 2.0 crankshaft to get maximum effect :p
There isn't anything to look at in my B3 - because I'm a stock lover, it looks like normal B3, only interesting set of equipment... :D Also, this topic isn't about my B3 :)

vag80 18-05-09 06:27 PM

i didn't put the crank in because lack of funds and it is also a lot of work as it's not a bolt in job
as the webbing for the crank req modifing as dose the dizzy.so i just built myself agood engine on a
budget that i'm happy with the results that i'm happy with

swampyjoe 18-05-09 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msh (Post 55430)
Yes, you're right, it needs Audi sump. But I still don't get the idea why 2E's block with DZ head and not whole 2E :crazy: Some racers use old heads because there isn't hydraulic tappets, but mostly it's with 1.6 and 1.8 blocks.
P.S. Don't know about B2, on B3 2.0 engines have 228 mm clutch, other engines have 210mm clutch... For durability, of course.

i used the original head so i dont have to change the injection as it dosent have a ecu and the wiring is the same i guess and its what i can afford , cheers for the input tho

msh 19-05-09 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swampyjoe (Post 55450)
i used the original head so i dont have to change the injection as it dosent have a ecu and the wiring is the same i guess and its what i can afford , cheers for the input tho

Well, that's interesting, I'll find some info about that - is there any difference :) Because I know that ppls who want, change injections - I know at last one 7A engine with k-jet, and I know several 10vt engines with megasquirt or vems.


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